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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Yet they will vote in the same set of people into power.

The understanding of cause and effect is not common. Maybe classes on logic should be required in schools?

Given the number of tech firms in and around San Francisco, it's not the boolean operators they have trouble with...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#112

San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#114

San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.

>San Francisco prosecutors will no longer ask judges for cash bail as a condition for the pretrial detention of defendants

I wonder if the police have become apathetic about making arrests.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/sf-da-boudin-announces...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#116
I feel like only those who live in San Francisco should comment on this. It's easy to pass judgement from afar, but the situation is, like all situations, difficult to grasp for people who live there, the insiders, and impossible to grasp by anyone else. SF is an incredibly unique place with a unique history and can you really get it if you don't live there?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#117

how is SF still so valuable if so much is going wrong

Things don't change overnight.

New Jersey used to be a major economic hub in the US. Now it's a state with corruption, high taxes, low quality of life and a net migration out for a long time.

Nothing says it can't happen here. Hell, SF lost like 20% of it's population between 1950 and 1980.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#118

What is the rate for other big cities? Is this a lot higher than usual, or only a little higher? The thing is that people steal things everywhere. Bikes. Cigarette lighters. Money left out. Scam items off Amazon or eBay is a form of theft. Your beer at parties. Lawn gnomes. I don’t know many people anywhere who haven’t had something stolen from them at some point, so I’m not sure what this is saying

Wikipedia has the FBI's crime statistics from 2019, broken out into categories including "larceny - theft":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Their highest rate is Spokane, WA at 5,408/100k, which would mean at most 5.4% of people report a theft. SF is a close second at about 5%.

Curious, let's look at the poll sourced by the article. It was a questionnaire of about 1500 people conducted online or by telephone. But there's no link to a paper, and they don't clarify how the online poll was conducted.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/sfnext-poll-meth...

Not every victim will file a police report, but it's usually required for insurance payouts, and an order of magnitude difference is hard to swallow. They might have some sampling bias in favor of people who wanted to be interviewed about the state of the city.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#119
SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this."

Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe.

Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --there were vagrants and muggings but for the most part, if you kept away from the bad neighborhoods, you were unaffected.

Now, theft is rampant and unabated. It will take years to recover from "Defund the Police" and No-bail, charge drooping DAs. It takes time to recruit Police and good Prosecutors.

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