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VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

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Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

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post #81

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Sun and SGI were once profitable but once Linux gained traction it was over. They had no option to be assimilated by the Borg.

Ironically they were contributors to their own downfall.

That was a last-gasp attempt to regain relevancy. It really looked desperate, there was no real business plan behind it and the market could tell.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

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Well yeah, but that requires a whole second GPU. A virtual GPU guest driver that translates to calls to the host GPU would be a godsend. Hard to tell if that's what's advertised in these release notes, but if so, then at least older games might finally exhibit some decent performance.

You _can_ use various hooks to dynamically bind and unbind on a single GPU system but that would be another degree of difficulty for newcomers (on top of potential buginess throughout the stack). As to the latter part of your first sentence, I believe that virtio-gl works in the manner you describe. Thought it is Linux only. I have experimented with it on Proxmox and it works well enough.

VFIO does work, but it's hacky, so it's very inconvenient unless one has plenty of time and patience.

For example, AMD GPUs don't support rebar (took a while to figure out), and they used to have (I don't know if it's been definitely solved) a problem with reset, which caused random lockups when exiting the VM.

Additionally, power saving/device ownership must be handled. Which means: either one terminates the X session each time before starting/after stopping the VM (so X will handle the power management), or they leave the card owned by the vfio driver (but this makes the card run hot while sitting doing nothing, because the vfio driver doesn't handle the power management), or they swap drivers on the fly hoping that it will work fine (on nvidia, it's not a stable strategy; no idea on AMD).

And these are just a few issues. I've experienced others in the past, and it's very frustrating and time consuming.

With all these problems, a combination of dual boot (for demanding 3d tasks) and VMWare (for light ones) is much simpler, and stable. I hope to replace VMWare with VirtualBox for the latter use case.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

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I find libvirtd to be fine other than sound when compared to virtualbox. I never did get sound to not be laggy and jerky in qemu on linux hosts.

For a Linux guest, I just forward the host's pulseaudio socket over ssh. ssh -R /run/user/1000/pulse/native:/run/user/1000/pulse/native -X the-vm the-audio-using-command I use this VM for occasional video watching and for video conferencing and haven't had any audio problems.

This is a good hack, and it works better than a lot of alternatives, albeit Linux-on-Linux VMs have arguably few uses since systemd-nspawn exists (so you can just --bind the Pipewire socket in the VM)

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

#114

Oooh! Will 2022 be the year when a virtualization platform can finally run The Sims 2? ;)

I was a big user of dual boot and VFIO, but thanks to the advent of Proton and the recent Wine improvements (DXVK, ...) I've found myself rebooting into Windows for gaming less and less over the course of the last few years. Sure, not everything works, but basically everything single player does with just a few hiccups.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

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post #13

Is there a way to stop vbox from phoning home to Oracle?

Is there a documented case of Oracle suing somebody for using VirtualBox on a company network? They have no way of knowing if it is some private person on a guest WiFi or if it is used in production. I know Oracle is famously litigious, but I've only heard about this in cases of CAD software. I'm all for being professional and paying for your tools, but it seems VirtualBox is in the class of "haha I'm not paying for…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33158169

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

#117
post #116

I thought VirtualBox was free/opensource to use, even for comercial use. I will change to kvm/qemu

VirtualBox itself is GPL3 licensed. However the Addon for fast USB etc. which is an extra download is proprietary. To my understanding Sun tried to open source that as well, but it contained third party code they couldn't open up.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

#118
post #57

What’s the alternative for host on windows?

VirtualBox is cross-platform; runs on Linux, Mac, Windows. Images are portable. As a sibling notes, the Windows built-in is Hyper-V. Or if you don’t like your money, VMWare.

There's a free version of VMWare, though I don't know what features it lacks.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

#119
post #22

Oracle was responsible for my first complaint, while I was doing my first internship in the US. Because once I used my private laptop with the VirtualBox Extension Pack while connected to the work network. The incredible legal/licensing team got in touch because they identified this use. Since than I avoid Oracle like plague.

What's the issue? As far as I know the extension pack is a commercial piece of software and you have to pay to use it for work.

Re: VirtualBox 7.0 Released – Full VM Encryption Support, New Direct3D Acceleration

#120
Is Windows Host and Guest performance any good now in version 7.0?

I used to use VirtualBox heavily about 15 years ago and it seemed to work well back then for Linux hosts and guests.

Since then I've used it sporadically, using it for Linux guests on Windows 7/8/10 as well as Windows XP and 7 on higher Windows.

A few days ago I tried to install Windows 10 guest (4cores/8GB RAM) on host Windows 10 host(32GB/6cores)

This was on VirtualBox 6.3 and the performance was really slow.

Installation took an hour - using same NVME Samsung 980Pro for official Microsoft windows.iso and installation.

After installation boot is slowish - a few minutes, and guest system feels like using an Atom processor not i7.

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