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Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by atahanacar »

p-christ wrote: post #15
pastram_i wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t disagree, but from their reply the request is community based. And any community based product is just a good as… well, their community. So how would a different community tool provide better content? What tactics could be used to increase quality?

(1) We are going to incentivise high quality decks by allowing people to sell access to their decks (2) The main problem we see with Anki public decks is that the user themselves decides whether they got the question "right" or not when reviewing the cards. This lack of a "teacher" means that it is very very difficult to learn using someone else's cards. You basically end up kind of getting something wrong but then s…

I don't understand how your 2nd point is a problem. If you already say you're right even though you are not, you won't lose any motivation to carry on because you have no motivation already.

If you don't want to learn (or memorize), no technique or tool will allow you to learn. Make a tool that solves this "problem", and the user will simply find other ways for running away, like not using the tool.

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by Buttons840 »

atahanacar wrote: post #109
Buttons840 wrote: post #76

There are a few e-ink note taking devices. They pride themselves on feeling like paper, but they're far more expensive than a notebook and offer trade-offs rather than clear advantages. For example, is using a text search on an e-ink device better than knowing "I wrote this down in the first 1/3rd of the notebook on the page with a coffee stain". Maybe? Maybe not. It's a trade-off. A physical notebook and an e-notebo…

Have you tried image occlusion for Anki? It does exactly what you mentioned: you occlude parts of an image (your notes in this case) and creates cards based on that. It's more tedious than an integrated solution would be, but I'm sure there are ways to make the card creation process more seamless. Maybe an Android e-ink where you can click "Share" on your notes, and choose the image occlusion "plugin app".

Yeah, there's also tablets like the Remarkable which claim to be hackable. I've thought of trying to build this myself.

With the right plugins maybe Anki wouldn't be too bad, still not as seamless as a dedicated device though. And I think this idea is important enough to warrant a dedicated device. Imagine how helpful it could be to have all students trained to use such a device to memorize their own notes. Memorization alone isn't enough, but it can serve as a foundation to build knowledge on top of. Many student lack any sort of foundation, and efficient memorization would do a lot for them.

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by cfu28 »

anon2020dot00 wrote: post #6

My idea is that there is a market for community-curated spaced repetition decks. Many people want to learn the same things such as a foreign language or a programming language. The difficult part is creating a deck and crafting the answers and questions. Because usually this is a time-consuming process. So if it was a community-effort then it would be a win-win. This is probably not an original idea and if anyone kno…

At least coming from the medical school perspective - there is a huge culture of using shared Anki decks built off of popular board review books and courses so you can read a chapter/finish a section in some course and immediately jump to Anki to do the corresponding flashcards.

It's gotten so popular that now theres a shared 30,000k card deck called AnKing that a lot of students use. The deck itself is free, but the curators of the deck recently launched a new paid service to automatically update the deck as new cards from the community are added: https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschoolanki/comments/rb62m6/a...

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by atahanacar »

cobachon wrote: post #71

I’ve paid for Anki on iOS and have gone as far as exporting flashcards from Emacs/org-mode which I keep in version control. I normally use it for specific information like runtimes of algorithms for interviews, rule of thumb numbers for doing estimations, etc. I also can imagine how medicine students use flashcards for remembering dozens of muscle or bone names. However, I’d be very interested in learning how people…

I use (or more precisely, abuse) Cloze Deletion. Text goes in, you chose which parts to hide, it creates multiple cards for you, each hiding the parts you chose. In my experience it is the most efficient way to create new cards.

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by cfu28 »

p-christ wrote: post #9
anon2020dot00 wrote: post #6

My idea is that there is a market for community-curated spaced repetition decks. Many people want to learn the same things such as a foreign language or a programming language. The difficult part is creating a deck and crafting the answers and questions. Because usually this is a time-consuming process. So if it was a community-effort then it would be a win-win. This is probably not an original idea and if anyone kno…

I completely agree. We’ve started building that on Save All and will be going more in that direction in future. The Anki public decks are usually too low quality to be useful unfortunately

I guess it depends on the community. AnKing's deck is the gold standard in medical education community despite being public.

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by atahanacar »

p-christ wrote: post #2

We wrote this at Save All ( https://saveall.ai/ ) and want to know what you think - tell us why it's wrong / right

Why should I, as the user, spend time and create cards on a piece of non-free software which I have no control over? What if you stop the service? I tried it for a few minutes, but couldn't find a "export" feature apart from the "email us to get your cards as csv" part. An "export cards and progress" feature would be nice.

I tried adding a few cards, which seems to work fine even in the worst case scenario. It seems to work even in other languages? I haven't tested it enough to comment on how well it does though, but my guess would be as well as GPT does in the said language. This has the potential to be a huge time saver. If it could handle something like a few pages of notes and divide it up, I can see it being the new standard of SRS for many people.

As I said, I can't see myself using any non-free software for something as critical as learning.

Re: Learn Exponentially

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Post by atahanacar »

Buttons840 wrote: post #112
atahanacar wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried image occlusion for Anki? It does exactly what you mentioned: you occlude parts of an image (your notes in this case) and creates cards based on that. It's more tedious than an integrated solution would be, but I'm sure there are ways to make the card creation process more seamless. Maybe an Android e-ink where you can click "Share" on your notes, and choose the image occlusion "plugin app".

Yeah, there's also tablets like the Remarkable which claim to be hackable. I've thought of trying to build this myself. With the right plugins maybe Anki wouldn't be too bad, still not as seamless as a dedicated device though. And I think this idea is important enough to warrant a dedicated device. Imagine how helpful it could be to have all students trained to use such a device to memorize their own notes. Memorizat…

Yes, memorization is one of the most important tools for learning. It greatly speeds up the process and sometimes is necessary in fields like medicine.

One problem I can immediately think of with a dedicated device is "vendor lock-in". Especially when you are going to spend a long time creating decks or practicing them, you wouldn't want to lose your progress or cards because some company stopped supporting their proprietary format.

This is actually the only reason I won't ever consider using most of these "Next Anki" or "Anki but better" SRS apps that pop up every now and then.

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