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Montreal is what North America could be

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Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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I live in Montreal. One thing that is remarkable here is that even with 2M people, there are no ghettoes. Rich neighborhoods are generally mixed in with poorer ones. It's a great city to live in and to raise a family.

Besides absolutely miserable winters, french-enfrocement for businesses and chronic low-ball salaries for high tech jobs. However summers are lovely albeit short, old Montreal is cute, and yes, cousine is delicious.

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Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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Most countries have language skills requirements for immigrants though, and language isn't an intrinsic part of a person but can be learned, so language skills requirements certainly aren't racist.

Canada is so heavily reliant on immigration that what's classified as barely passing English is enough to move to the suburbs of Vancouver and Toronto. There would be so much backlash in Vancouver if a bill like Quebec's Bill 96 passed to prevent first generation Hindi or Mandarin speakers from communicating to their doctors in anything but English. Quebec's actions are racist. They literally try to exit Canada with…

Health services are not really affected by loi 96 and mandarin speakers have no issue talking to their doctors in my experience (specifically living with a mandarin speaker in Montreal in the past, with whom I'm still in contact).

However, doctors now have to be able to communicate in French and English along with any other language they wish.

Independence sentiment in a province annexed through war, even if it was long ago, and that has kept a different identity, has very little too do with racism it seems to me.

As someone who lived in Canada but isn't Canadian, there is so much disinformation regarding Québec in the rest of Canada, and not uncommonly outright hate, that the often heard claims of racism are very ironic.

Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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Born and raised here 40+ years ... The language laws are ridiculous and getting worse, the roads are horrible and getting worse, traffic is horrible and getting worse, salaries are not on par with the rest of Canada and our winters would be considered apocalyptic to anyone not used to it. If you're listening North America, nothing to see here move along. I would move in a heartbeat if my family roots weren't here.

https://montreal.citynews.ca/2022/05/08/quebec-language-law-...

Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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Not really no, there's been a bump which studies seem to agree is an aftereffect of COVID, but the media is also paying more attention to it. There's always been some amount of shootings and stabbings in Montreal, and 99% of Montreal is safe during night time. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2021001/article... https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/02/2021_Activity_Report_SPVM_EN_VF...

euh thanks for proving my point lol have you read the report ? "À Montréal, en 2021, ceux-ci ont augmenté de 17,3 % par rapport à la moyenne de 2016 à 2020. Les homicides et les tentatives de meurtre ont augmenté de façon importante et la problématique de la violence armée contribue très certainement à ce portrait. En effet, la moitié des homicides et des tentatives de meurtre commis sur le territoire du SPVM en 2021…

Yes, it has increased but remains low compared to other cities in Canada. Neverthless, glad the SPVM is taking that seriously.

Homicide rate per 100,000 population in 2021 [1]: - Montreal 1.11 - Toronto 2.08 - Vancouver 2.16

The US average hovers around 5 [2].

[1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=351000...

[2] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd...

Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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Rent is cheap because people are leaving the xenophobic environment. There's always some referendum talk on a 20 year cycle to keep the rates low, 70s, 90, 10s. So yeah there's a huge Brain Drain from Anglo/English speaking Immigrant populations, as well as people fed up with the corruption.

Wow, what a take. I seriously doubt that people in Montreal/Quebec are more or less xenophobic than the average North American; if you have data supporting this I'd be happy to change my mind. Also please be more skeptical of thoughts of the form "X is Y because of hot take Z". Reality is complex and things have many causes. Montreal has a long history of doing city planning differently than other cities in Canada.

Having been closely tied to Real Estate and landlords, this is the current understanding of most realtors that deal in English Montreal and its surrounding areas. Sure it may not be the only reason, but it is a definite factor.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-real-estate...

As for examples of xenophobia, I don't know of any other places where they have a separate language police, I know personally of non-white owned stores being harassed and fined for having the wrong accent on their french sign. There are countless politicians who've blamed immigrants for their woes, Jacques Parizeau being a famous one for blaming the Ethnic votes for their loss. CAQ just took a majority, look up Bill 21.

Anglo Brain Drain is a real thing too, and it's the major thing that's on some community's mind https://montrealgazette.com/news/brain-drain-brain-gain

Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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post #86

Rent is cheap because people are leaving the xenophobic environment. There's always some referendum talk on a 20 year cycle to keep the rates low, 70s, 90, 10s. So yeah there's a huge Brain Drain from Anglo/English speaking Immigrant populations, as well as people fed up with the corruption.

Of all the places I've lived in and visited, Montreal was the only place so far where random people on the street had a problem with me, based on the way I look - got this way around the time the current government was elected. However, one thing to remember with rents is that the city mandates the percent of allowed rent increases plus it's nearly impossible to evict someone, which I suspect has a non trivial effect…

Exactly, I agree with you.

Re: Montreal is what North America could be

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post #57

Can anyone explain this article to me? Why would America want to be like Montreal at all? A fair amount of US was built with some considerations in mind. I am not sure what Montreal has to offer here.

Montreal has probably the best public transit in north America. Can't think of anything else really.

Except for their Rail system, that one stops working if you look at it wrong.

Metro/Buses are great (except in the West Island of course)

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