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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by morelisp »

currenciessfe wrote: post #69
ekianjo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bloomberg are idiots talking out of their asses. They have never worked in tech companies

You are both right and wrong. Bloomberg IS a tech company. But the journalists obviously don't mingle with that part.

More like, "tech company" has nothing to do with whether a company's product or competitive advantage lies in technology and just means "popular company" or today more like "SHR-funded company".

I'm reminded of how often I had to read about "tech companies vs. telcos", "tech companies vs. ISPs" during the net neutrality discussion, or "tech company vs. car company" for AVs, or "tech company vs. broadcaster" for streaming/advertising...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by kethinov »

brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

It frustrates me that Jack seems to have genuine interest in this topic but seems to be totally averse to discussing Mastodon. It's hard to believe he's unaware of Mastodon, so we have to believe he thinks it's not the solution for some reason. But how could it not be? Why doesn't he just use his big name and significant influence to throw his weight behind Twitter's most successful open protocol competitor if he really wants this? None of it makes sense to me and I wish he would speak more plainly on the matter.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by [deleted] »

feet wrote: post #24
bamboozled wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you hear Musk being interviewed you'd certainly have to believe otherwise, he definitely claims he is the brains behind a lot of innovation.

That's hilarious, because for someone with a literal degree in physics he doesn't seem to understand the physics at all

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by hk__2 »

altcognito wrote: post #68
irusensei wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon is worse than twitter. You need to either maintain or join a server that is often managed by tyrannical admins that are even more trigger happy on silencing individuals and even other servers. You, your post history and account identity are at the mercy of those server administrators who can basically lock you out. IMO credentials and identity management must be self hosted mobile and preferably not dependen…

You mean administration is decentralized? Sounds like what they were going for.

> You mean administration is decentralized?

(not OP) Not really. Accounts are linked to one single instance, and if the admin of that instance decides to ban you, the other instances can’t do anything about it. It’s not one decentralized administration but a lot of smaller centralized administrations.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#115

Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

currenciessfe wrote: post #73
altcognito wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree, none of the facts align with what they are saying. I mean imagine having billions of dollars in your pocket and pretending you can’t start a protocol that looks like mastodon or xmpp… These guys know their records are going to be subpoenaed.

You mean like Google which invested billions in Plus?

>billions

Source?

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by joenot443 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #94
graycrow wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so is Musk.

Is the work you do to your credit or your boss's? I fundamentally reject the argument that being financially invested in engineering projects makes him an engineer.

I'm of the opinion that engineering things is what makes someone an engineer. If you're under the impression that Musk's entire career has been in management, I'd encourage you to do some more reading.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by wanderingbort »

rocqua wrote: post #93
drc500free wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Upvoting messages with currency" is literally describing what advertising is.

Except that you can limit to 1 upvote per account, and use (centralized) moderation to handle sybil attacks by removing upvotes with discretion.

If you could do that effectively then what is the point of spending money to upvote?

Also look into the current state of play to earn games [1] and some NFT auction methods where people are selling their participation quite openly [2]

It’s no longer a Sybil attack if it is real people who value their moral “vote” less than the market rate of that vote. It’s just an open market encouraging wealthy participants to on-board buyable users.

[1] https://restofworld.org/2021/axie-infinity/ [2] https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/04/29/please-dont-buy-a...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by viridian »

brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

For those scared of all the links, here's a simple summary from someone who runs a server with an instance of one of these applications.

* ActivityPub is just an open, flexible protocol for sharing content

* The fediverse is a nice, human friendly way to describe all the various services using activitypub to talk back and forth to each other. The value in this is that these projects are diverse, it's not all twitter clones. You have video hosting services like peertube, the twitter-esque sites like mastodon and pleroma, open source managed file stores like nextcloud, and all of them can chat if they want to

* these services are hosted by whoever wants to host an instance, and they choose who they wish to federate with and who they don't, this optional interoperability is really the key feature for the entire network and protocol

Mastodon, as a twitter replacement is good from a user perspective (except in 300+ comment threads) , but I'd strongly recommend Pleroma at this point if you intend to run your own instance. The software of the two is similar, but Mastodon is in a constant state of chasing new, usually niche or controversial features which have led to a lot of bloat in terms of both management tooling, setup, and hardware required to run it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by azangru »

qznc wrote: post #74
dreamer7 wrote: post #41

The chat thread looked so farcical that I had to double check it wasn't a parody account. Is it possible the text has been edited? It just looks too scripted, especially since Jack Dorsey had shared his thoughts regarding Twitter being intended as a protocol publicly.

It feels too clean to me. No typos, no emojis, correct punctuation…

There's a misplaced apostrophe in it's.
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