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Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by RandomLensman »

sprash wrote: post #97
RandomLensman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.

I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.

Evidence? I don't see that in any surveys etc. that a majority or even plurality thinks that way.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #75
tokai wrote: post #17

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It can be anyone. Could even be a private person. But yeah its definitely not Russia.

Yep, russia controls "the valve", so it doesn't need to destroy the pipelines, and the minute EU (well, mostly germany) decides to negiotiate, putin can open the valve. With this, even if they negotiate, there won't be any gas soon. So, it's bad for russia, bad for eu, and the only one being better of is USA... who was threathened to do exactly this more than once. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662

cool. lets see the world now decide how they will play it, i mean here is prior deliberations and intent and we saw today the action itself so if USA is behind this which they most probably are, how will EU for example respond to this aggression? I hope the same response viz a viz sanctions, trade barriers, this and that.????

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by bboozzoo »

weeeeelp wrote: post #72
Gare wrote: post #35

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Poland? They were vocal opposers, and the ruptures are close to their coast.

Poland's got the Formoza unit, such an operation would certainly be within their capabilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JW_Formoza Not that I believe that would be orchestrated by the Polish gov.

This made me chuckle a bit. The polish government can hardly contract appropriate levels coal so that people who burn it to heat their homes have trouble replenishing their supplies before winter. Just yesterday they came up with 50% tax on excessive income for companies which employ 250+ people, so clearly they aren't capable of planning months or years ahead, let it be the effects of such a strike on NS.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by RandomLensman »

cptaj wrote: post #103
RandomLensman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.

And yet they keep blocking arms shipments to ukraine

No, one of the governing parties keeps blocking.

Edit: And stuff has been shipped, too.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by aa-jv »

bdg wrote: post #96
aa-jv wrote: post #62

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>But who is that? The USA has long wanted to interfere in Germanys' relations with Russia and has done so, over and over, to ensure they are never true allies. So, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume the US is behind these attacks.

Feb 7, 2022 > Biden: “If Russia invades -- that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” > Journalist: “But how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?” > Biden: “We will, I promise you, we’ll be able to do it,” Biden replied. I don't want to play conspiracy guy, but the statement stuck in my…

Its not a conspiracy - the US has long wanted a reason/justification for turning off Germany's gas. I guess this is happening, now.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by LatteLazy »

seren wrote: post #60
LatteLazy wrote: post #55

Quick Question: Didn't Russia already turn off all of the actual flow for these? I mean technically it was the Russian gas company ~~sighting~~ citing urgent maintenance rather than Putin himself with a big spanner. But either way, flows were at <1% capacity right?

Nord stream 2 was never operational, Nord stream 1 was in maintenance if I remember correctly. But it raises the question if there are ever going to be operational again..

Thanks!

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by jeltz »

varispeed wrote: post #29
DocTomoe wrote: post #19

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Ukraine will be fine, post-war, with Germany buying Russian gas that went through pipelines on Ukrainian soils, because they get paid transit fees. No transit fees necessary for Nord Stream.

Ukraine has undeveloped large gas reserves (mostly at the territory currently occupied by Russia), so they could potentially replace Russia in the future as a supplier.

I have said this claim many times but it does not match the numbers I have seen on e.g. Wikipedia. Most of the gas seems to be in areas under Ukrainian control.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by bilekas »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #4

Who would benefit from this?

With my tinfoil hat on, Norway and Poland would! They're already opening a pipeline to Poland. Today I think. Poland becomes the rich middleman now to EU!

*Important Note*: I absolutely don't believe this, just an amusing thought.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by sudden_dystopia »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #93
XorNot wrote: post #16

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No pipelines means no Russian gas period. Putin loses because even if he wanted to, he can't send gas anymore. I've been hoping from the start that someone would sabotage the pipelines to remove the temptation. Guess I got my wish.

So, eu gets fucked, no incentive for peace talks, less weapons for ukraine, ukraine gets fucked,... you must be an american, since they're the only ones who profit from all this.

Profit until the plan goes sideways and we all die in nuclear war. Those bellicose US politicians damn well better have some real good secret weapons/defense systems they are keeping under wraps.
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