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YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by majou »

mikrl wrote: post #80

I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…

(On the topic of Subaru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAochkcRfK4)

I agree about the dislikes tho.

I used to calculate the ratio of likes:dislikes, and a lot of my hobbies were in the cool 1,000:1 range. Now I do the same with views:likes; 10:1 isn't uncommon for some niches!

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by laweijfmvo »

wussboy wrote: post #93
everdrive wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…

Yup. Search reveals two or three relevant videos but from that point on the search results are indistinguishable from the regular feed. And I get the same video recommended to me all the time. Sometimes back to back!

If you’re not watching ads, you’re worthless to Youtube. Scrolling through search results wouldn’t increase revenue.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by Waterluvian »

everdrive wrote: post #82
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #32

The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…

I feel like I also learned the other day that Google’s search is bad like this too. That it’ll say there’s millions of results and just stop after like 400.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by crazygringo »

robswc wrote: post #96

Honestly, I feel like YouTube recommendation is the _only_ good thing YouTube has lol. I often see a ton of complaints about the recommendations but I've honestly never had an issue. I know that yes, you click on one video and now all the sudden you get 100s of that type... but it sorta works for me since it seems like that "effect" wears off just as fast as it starts. For example, I have a friend that's into cars. I…

Yup, works fantastically for me as well. I almost never go to my subscriptions because every new video I want to see is right there on the home page.

I super love the categories at the top too. If I want all cooking videos instead of just 2, it's a single click. It's really neat to see it use machine learning to tell me what my ~15 top topics are. And it's entirely correct.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by [deleted] »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #60
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it fair that if every player you play against decides they don't want to play with you, you shouldn't get to play? Obviously something is wrong with you. (A 4chan style let's-make-this-person's-life-hell attack notwithstanding)

Your parent comment specifies that the reason so many people were avoiding this guy was that he was good at the game. I wouldn't agree that that should mean he's not allowed to play.

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by jiggawatts »

What a lot of people are missing is that when watching YouTube, they're the product, not the consumer.

I know this has been said many times before, but ignoring this reality is like trying to understand life without considering evolution, or understanding chemistry while ignoring the periodic table.

Google's incentives are to tailor customers to advertisers, not customers to content!

They don't care if you see what you want to see, they care if you see what they want you to see.

In that light, it all makes sense.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by hammock »

majou wrote: post #111
mikrl wrote: post #80

I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…

(On the topic of Subaru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAochkcRfK4 ) I agree about the dislikes tho. I used to calculate the ratio of likes:dislikes, and a lot of my hobbies were in the cool 1,000:1 range. Now I do the same with views:likes; 10:1 isn't uncommon for some niches!

90/9/1 rule

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by rtsil »

darth_avocado wrote: post #68
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #32

The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

The biggest problem with this approach is that it takes a lot of curation to get your recommendation in a decent shape and it takes you one accidental video view to have your feed be full of uninteresting content related to that video. This asymmetry is the root of all the recommendation system problems.

Remove the unwanted video from your history and it will no longer affect your recommendations.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Post by Razengan »

It was never about what you want to see. It’s about what they want you to see.

We will just end up back full circle at TV, with the only thing our control being the ability to flip between channels.

Seriously, fuck everyone who implements that “Relevant” sorting in searches on every platform, which is usually everything but what you are actually searching for.

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