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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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post #54

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“Cuba exports terrorism and misery across the region.” ::walks away whistling hoping you don’t notice Iraq and Afghanistan’s blown up weddings::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes Feel free to start a discussion on US aggression, if you honestly feel strongly about it. Otherwise you're blatantly trying to whitewash decades of systematic oppression from totalitarian bloodthirsty regimes, and in the process support all the human rights violations they're continuously subjecting their population to.

> systematic oppression from totalitarian bloodthirsty regimes

How do sanctions help an average Joe stuck living under such a regime?

Now they are even poorer, have worse nutrition and medicine.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#112
post #42

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Meaning there are many Cuban refugees living in Florida who hate the Communist regime and will not support a President who does not continue the sanctions. No political party wants to lose Florida, therefor politicians have a good reason to continue US policy.

Florida's days of being a swing state will likely be over by the next presidential election. Desantis won by tight margins, but he seems to have done a great job attracting exactly the sort of people who'd vote for him to the state and has consistently worked to gerrymander and restrict voting rights for those who'd vote against him. Crist couldn't even beat Rick Scott for the Senate, and Scott was one of the least p…

How has Desantis restricted voting rights?

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#113

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Curious... Soviet union were completely right when criticizing US for lynching black people... But it is interesting how propaganda works... It's like nowadays when you point hypocrisy in the Internet, but people just yell "whataboutism" as a way to always ignore criticism and do not accept responsibility for double standards and hypocrisy in the propaganda that they spread. Of course, this happens only for criticism…

> Curious... Soviet union were completely right when criticizing US for lynching black people... ...except they weren't criticizing. Much like in this case, their intention was to divert the attention on their cruel and inhumane practices by picking any distraction they could find out, with the goal of perpetuating their abuse without being subjected to criticism. It's the same reason why nowadays you have Putin's re…

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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#114
post #70

My view on this from the United Kingdom: I have no vested interest in any of the territories listed nor do I support them in any way, but my business should not be subject to the whims of overseas powers and foreign policy. In response to this announcement I've closed down my Auth0 experiments. I refuse to be held to US enforcement when I operate outside US jurisdiction. I know other SaaS will follow suit, but we hav…

>I refuse to be held to US enforcement when I operate outside US jurisdiction. I know other SaaS will follow suit, but we have to oppose this somehow.

I'm in the US, and I'm not so sure I want to be held to US enforcement. Our government has always been a little wacky, but it's really stepped up the jiggery-pokery during the past, well, 20 years.

At this point it feels an awful lot like a past-their-prime pop star getting screechy and demanding about the brown M&Ms in the dressing room.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#115

Don’t offload authentication to third parties… People didn’t learn their lesson from Facebook etc etc.

This is very different than Facebook. This isn't a company that also happens to provide auth to get more tracking for their main product. The auth is the main service for okta and it's used by people making decision about whether they want to build this in-house or outsource it.

Sure it's their current offering. But they want to be an "Identity Platform". They have just proven they're a political platform too.

> Why are we blocking Users from access to Okta Service? > In support of our customers’ and Okta’s existing contractual obligations with respect to U.S. export control laws, Okta customers are not permitted to access the Okta Service (including the Auth0 Platform) from Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, the regions of Crimea, Luhansk or Donetsk without prior approval from the U.S. Government. This restriction applies even if a User is temporarily visiting any of the aforementioned regions.

Total utter bs. Next they will start filtering your business, customers etc.. Then just stop all together, because there's always something not right within larger orgs.

> Can Okta handle these OFAC controls for me? > As a Customer, you are responsible for ensuring your own compliance with applicable laws. As outlined in the Okta Master Subscription Agreement, you must use the Okta Service in compliance with applicable laws.

How can you be responsible if you don't have the power to make decisions anymore? If they think they know better, they should face the consequences when something goes wrong (some north Korean login for example)

US export controls don't apply to other countries. Why don't they have foreign entities for this? Because even if they have, they don't want to, because they became a political vehicle. A political vehicle for the CEO who thinks he's smarter than anybody who has a different opinion or who wants more power/influence, or maybe some bribes, I mean lobbyists at the door.

These days everybody seems to be a politician, pro athlete, doctor, scientist, code, entrepreneur, etc.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#116

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I'm not defending Cuban regime, merely saying that USA had no problems dealing with other repressive regimes, and that Cuban regime would likely improve if it wasn't pressed in the corner by the USA.

> I'm not defending Cuban regime (...) Well, except you are. You're trying to shift the attention away from Cuba's track record on human rights abuses by arbitrarily picking distractions that frankly you care nothing about, as if pointing out these distractions justified Cuba's long history of oppression and abuse.

I just don't see how any amount of human right abuses excuses trying to exclude a sub-population of Earth from world economy.

That's trying to answer abuses with more and harsher abuses.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#117
post #68

Oh, nice, my company is just integrating Okta. Is Cuba still being punished for daring to host Soviet missiles? I think the way we've treated them is really terrible.

No, I think the sanctions came from expropriating US property without restitution.

oh, so when are they getting back the illegally occupied Guantanamo Bay?

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#118

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Do you know that or do you assume that? There are global trade and sanction contracts between USA and eu fyi and the financial sector is even more strongly regulated.

On the Cuba issue specifically the EU and Canada many years ago basically told the US to "f off." Way back in the 90s in the beginning of the Helms Burton act days. I know the US occasionally makes threatening but unenforceable noises, but I'm pretty sure the EU drew a firm line on US overreach on Cuba. The mechanisms behind the US trade blockade of Cuba are considered to breach the sovereignty of other nations. (As…

There's no "blockade" of US against the dictatorial communist regime of Cuba, just an embargo. which is totally different. Proof of that is the thousand of Canadians that go to Cuba to have cheap sex with poor people including minors, something they cannot do on their country. With a blockade you could not do that. Basically the Cuban government is a mafia, that never pays back what it owes to other countries on top of intentionally impoverishing its own people and violation all sort of human rights there. making paper laws for the world while doing anything they want one on the inside to its slaves citizens. In Cuba you can go to jail for 30 years just for pacifically and silently protesting on the street with a t-shirt saying: "Patria y Vida"

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#119

I don't get it. If we're insisting that Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk are Ukraine and the people are Ukranian, then why block/sanction people there who have no control over the situation?

To make it unattractive to the current occupier.

Aren't companies just going to ban the entirity of Ukraine, due to it being easier than finding out if your clients are connected to Russia or in a Russia-controlled area, resulting in an outcome undesired by the Ukrainian gov?

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very different than Facebook. This isn't a company that also happens to provide auth to get more tracking for their main product. The auth is the main service for okta and it's used by people making decision about whether they want to build this in-house or outsource it.

Sure it's their current offering. But they want to be an "Identity Platform". They have just proven they're a political platform too. > Why are we blocking Users from access to Okta Service? > In support of our customers’ and Okta’s existing contractual obligations with respect to U.S. export control laws, Okta customers are not permitted to access the Okta Service (including the Auth0 Platform) from Cuba, Iran, Nort…

Todd KcKinnon (CEO) :

> https://twitter.com/toddmckinnon/status/1544046909307752448 Things about abortion, inclusive blabla, political stuff

> https://twitter.com/toddmckinnon/status/1539642789864312834 gov identity, political stuff

He seems to have been corrupted right after his gov talk.

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