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Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by 4oo4 »

rchaud wrote: post #109
cloogshicer wrote: post #42

Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.

It's not an issue anywhere in the world except the US, where apparently school kids can get bullied if their texts in group chats are the wrong colour.

Agreed, I think that's the most compelling reason why they should implement RCS.

The reporter had a huge missed opportunity not to bring this up. If you want to have adults peer pressure each other with emotional manipulation to buy your product, that's disgusting, but fine, you have the right to do that. However there's a huge ethical line that gets crossed when that's done to children. Teaching kids and teens that brand loyalty is necessary to maintain friendships and an identity is extremely toxic and stupid.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by daedalus_j »

yieldcrv wrote: post #61
daedalus_j wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually fine with this, it easily lets me avoid irritating snobs that I was never going to be friends with anyway. :-) Although I admit that I've excluded people from group chats because they don't use Signal messenger, although not because of any snobbiness, but because of the lack of feature support, and because I HATE the way iPhones do " reacted to " type crap. Almost like we'd all be better off with a nice…

This is really funny to me because extremely non-snobbish people are talking about you behind your back, and all iphone users have seen this and can perceive how out of the loop non-iphone users are about it Its like being black in Oregon (who were excluded via the state constitution for 100 years, if you don't get the analogy), not everyone is going to be a prick about it, few to your face, but everyone noticed and…

I think "need to interface with" is a bit of a stretch though. If we need to interact, it's probably a business interaction, in which case it's probably going to be via email or phone, and even if SMS is required it's going to be simple messages. Social protocol in these situations means we're unlikely to need the features like sending high-quality images or video, or reactions/stickers, etc... So we'll happily interact in a professional way, no problem at all.

However, if we're sitting around playing super mario at a mutual friend's place, and the iPhone user says something like "Oh, I'd invite you to the group chat, but you're an _android_ user, so uncool." yeah, we don't need to interface in any way, and likely won't ever be friends in any substantial way. You've just signaled you're fundamentally not a nice person, and that's all the information I need to decide if I want to spend any further time around you. There are many such other signals, some widely accepted by society and some simple personal preference. (For example if we're in the same situation and you're a heavy social drinker who just wants to go to bars I'm similarly unlikely to invest time in you as I don't drink personally.)

"talking about you behind your back" likely goes both ways. In my friend group we mercilessly mock people hanging off of Apple's every announcement and panic-buying a new phone as soon as the store comes online just because it has a feature that our android phones have had for 9 years now. I think this is just an in-group social thing that happens everywhere. Some people judge others by the sneakers they wear. The problem comes in when you lump everyone into this "other" category and treat them as lesser. I'll make fun of a iPhone user for their lack of awareness of the reality distortion field they live in, but I'll still be friends with them. (My best friend is getting the new phone that was just announced.)

Mocking someone behind their back because they don't make the same choices you do is just a fundamental signal that you're not very open minded and probably not the type of person I want to spend time with. Wear whatever shoes fit you well.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by heavymark »

blantonl wrote: post #81
cloogshicer wrote: post #42

Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.

Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users? 10 years ago? Now? I think Tim Cook is spot on here. Get an iPhone for your grandma if she wants the user experience that iMessages provide. Otherwise, you can get her signal or snapchat or one of the 4,225 secure messaging ecosystems.

Grandma is probably more than happy with her familiar experience and rather the iphone son user who loves his iPhone but hates the limitations of having to send SMS essentially with his grandmother. So in this scenarios Tim saying son should by an android would make more sense as he’d be able to learn a new system easily than her presumably or them both having to use a separate less ideal app just to communicate with each other. If they both preferred signal or such they would use it but even in that case the rest of their friends and fam would still be using another app. So just get person an iphone isn’t realistic especially if some have to use one or the other since work pays for phone or such.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by simonsarris »

blantonl wrote: post #81
cloogshicer wrote: post #42

Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.

Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users? 10 years ago? Now? I think Tim Cook is spot on here. Get an iPhone for your grandma if she wants the user experience that iMessages provide. Otherwise, you can get her signal or snapchat or one of the 4,225 secure messaging ecosystems.

I think if you comingle inventory (SMS messages and iMessages) and don't make that very clear to your users (Apple wants to do the opposite, to make it feel seamless), you have some obligation to not mess up the user experience on other people's devices. So I guess since then.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by thih9 »

kangalioo wrote: post #60
thih9 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow I don’t mind this time. I like what Apple is doing and the UX they have been able to achieve so far. I wouldn’t want to force them to adopt some third party protocol, especially if this is initiated by Google (who has a history of failed text/chat products).

They don't have to change their protocol, they'd just have to port to Android

I assumed the latest idea was for Apple to adopt RCS

> But Apple can adopt RCS—the modern industry standard—for these threads instead.

Source: https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ , published around the beginning of August as far as I recall.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by _whiteCaps_ »

DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #67
vhodges wrote: post #2

This is why I don't buy or recommend apple products anymore. I was never a fanboi, but rather had some nice experiences (about 10 years ago - eg I am just retiring my 2012 Retina MBP - and it still works, just a little slow these days). Besides, get mom onto Signal and it doesn't matter any more.

You don’t buy or recommend Apple products because non-iMessages are shown in green?

It's not that the messages are in green, it's that videos and pictures sent over SMS are terrible.

My dad sent me a video the other day, and it was 176 x 144 @ 10fps.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by RichardCNormos »

daedalus_j wrote: post #38
RichardCNormos wrote: post #12

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I'm actually fine with this, it easily lets me avoid irritating snobs that I was never going to be friends with anyway. :-) Although I admit that I've excluded people from group chats because they don't use Signal messenger, although not because of any snobbiness, but because of the lack of feature support, and because I HATE the way iPhones do " reacted to " type crap. Almost like we'd all be better off with a nice…

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Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by maxsilver »

blantonl wrote: post #81
cloogshicer wrote: post #42

Thankfully, shit like this will soon be illegal in the EU when the Digital Markets Act hits. Hopefully they'll plug all the loopholes and actually enforce it. I don't understand how anyone can defend business practices like this, which are exclusively there for the purpose of platform lock-in.

Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users? 10 years ago? Now? I think Tim Cook is spot on here. Get an iPhone for your grandma if she wants the user experience that iMessages provide. Otherwise, you can get her signal or snapchat or one of the 4,225 secure messaging ecosystems.

> Since when did Apple have any obligation to provide iMessage to Android users?

They don't. But that's not necessarily the complaint either.

The argument is that they do have an obligation to not intentionally break the native cell service you paid for, which is exactly what they're doing by ignoring the RCS portion of modern LTE (GSMA) spec.

It's got nothing to do with iMessage in truth. iMessage is simply how Apple has chosen to frame their excuse for intentionally breaking your cell service.

Re: Tim Cook's response to Android texting compatibility: 'buy your mom an iPhone'

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Post by rchaud »

4oo4 wrote: post #111
rchaud wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an issue anywhere in the world except the US, where apparently school kids can get bullied if their texts in group chats are the wrong colour.

Agreed, I think that's the most compelling reason why they should implement RCS. The reporter had a huge missed opportunity not to bring this up. If you want to have adults peer pressure each other with emotional manipulation to buy your product, that's disgusting, but fine, you have the right to do that. However there's a huge ethical line that gets crossed when that's done to children. Teaching kids and teens that…

Kids suck. iMessage didn't invent bullying. It's just the latest in a long line of arbitrary identifiers of status. If it wasn't the iPhone, it would be the brand of shoes they wore.
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