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Post by freilanzer »

permo-w wrote: post #82
yodelshady wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Germany: repoens , I believe approx. 8 GW, coal plants. https://www.forbes.com/sites/juliecoleman/2022/07/08/germany... I'm sorry, but this is hearfelt: the German greens are climate criminals . And they were fully warned of exactly this situation decades ago, so no, they have zero "circumstances forced our hand" defence. You knew , and you chose to burn coal anyway .

what blame do the Christian Democrats have for this?

If you blame them for everything you will be at least partially correct more often than not.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by morsch »

peaslock wrote: post #20

How much electricity can plausibly be saved this way? And how does that compare to the energy required to reprogram and possibly renew all these signs?

About 113 GWh, apparently. Total power usage is 400-500 TWh. So a drop in a bucket, but many of these measures will add up to a couple of percent.

No idea how much energy it takes to reprogram/renew the signs. If they just turn them off, very little, I suppose.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

hnbad wrote: post #88
mschuster91 wrote: post #45

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> I'm sorry, but this is hearfelt: the German greens are climate criminals. And they were fully warned of exactly this situation decades ago, so no, they have zero "circumstances forced our hand" defence. The Greens have not been in government for the last sixteen years . It was the conservative governments under Merkel and particularly the environment and later economy minister Altmaier who openly celebrated reducin…

I'd say it's the fault of neoliberalism (which certainly has a foothold in parts of the CDU/CSU and all major parties really, not just the FDP) that most infrastructure projects of the past decades have been limited to a few failed prestige projects (powerlines just aren't as sexy as a massive airport nobody can use) but it's the fault of the Greens (not specifically the party but the general political movement it st…

I really believe Neoliberalism has kneecapped the West, our infrastructure is basically stuck in 1980's, which is when the ideology took hold.

In UK, since we privatised water companies, they have not built a single new reservoir, they are basically operating 30 year old infrastructure, dumping sewage in rivers and paying themselves dividends in the billiona

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by throwaway742 »

adrianN wrote: post #51
tpmx wrote: post #37

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"We are going to have a severe lack of energy, so shutting down nuclear power plants is likely the least of our issues"? I'm afraid I don't follow the logic here.

Homes are heated with gas, not with nuclear power. Industrial processes run on gas, not on nuclear power.

Yes, but if you can use less gas for electricity generation you have more for the other uses. Germany has other sources of gas besides Russia (e.g. Norway). The goal isn't to completely stop using gas at all, but rather to reduce dependence on Russia who only supplies 30% of German gas.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by freilanzer »

tpmx wrote: post #64
adrianN wrote: post #47

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No, but you can power something like 70% of a country with wind power alone. Add in some solar and a few hours worth of storage and you can go 90+%. Add a few days of storage and you reach two nines. A few weeks for more nines.

"Add a few days of storage" This is very non-trivial and will take decades longer than building nuclear power.

> will take decades.

We already had decades, so where is it?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by seba_dos1 »

neolithicum wrote: post #39
yrro wrote: post #14

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At first I loved LED street lights because I could see so much better by them (and I presume that they have an increased deterrent effect on crime though I have not checked this). These days I think disrupting wildlife is more important than human safety and I wish we could get rid of nearly all street lighting.

Really? You think protecting wildlife is more important than human life? Also, less light might increase the frequency of road kills.

In this scenario, the choice seems obvious. Humans can make informed decisions regarding their safety and apply measures to mitigate dangers, while wildlife affected by those lights can't.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

adrianN wrote: post #75
tpmx wrote: post #71

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The research and tech actually exists for large scale nuclear power. It's essentially a solved problem, unlike large-scale energy storage.

We can always create methane or ammonia from hydrogen. That's a solved problem. The only research left to do is to bring down the price.

You can do hydrogen, but ammonia production is like 16% efficient?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by Ygg2 »

turing_complete wrote: post #23
TomK32 wrote: post #12

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Bigger problems in Germany are the lack of big power lines between the North and South and of course the reluctance to build more wind energy. Especially Bavaria has been shooting its own feet several times, even built a gas power station a few years back and now it's in a bit of a panic...

You cannot power a country with wind power alone. Even if you want to build wind turbines, you need nuclear, gas, or coal to back them up.

You could if there was an energy efficient, cheap, and widely available storage.

Such storage is right now domain of unicorns and pixie dust.

Other solution include near loseless transmission of power between sunny and shaded side.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by mytailorisrich »

sidkshatriya wrote: post #102
phartenfeller wrote: post #32

Here in Germany, there was recently a leak in the news. It said that a single LED sign consumes as much energy as 10 single households[0]. Of course, the companies don't want to give any official information. That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... [0] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/led-reklame...

> That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... There is a widespread belief that Advertising serves no purpose to humanity. Advertising is like anything in life: In high doses it is harmful. In lower doses it is useful. If there are regulators in your country that prevent advertisers from making false claims, even better. Advertising has helped me hone onto products and services in my whole life…

> There is a widespread belief that advertising serves no purpose to humanity.

This is highly political and that 'belief' is indeed often ideological.

Free flow of information and awareness of products and services on offer is an important aspect of an open society and free market economics.

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