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Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by pwpw »

patall wrote: post #61
keriati1 wrote: post #3

It's good to see Firefox on top of this list. Is Protonmail usually accessed through web clients? I only use native iOS client and MacOS Mail with the Bridge app. Somehow I would expect Protonmail users to not use the web client so much, maybe I am wrong.

While I am using it, the android client sometimes has problems refreshing for me. So if I was waiting for something urgent, I would probably use the web client.

Try disabling alternative routing in the settings. Solved all refreshing problems for me.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by fuzzy2 »

lunarboy wrote: post #14

Not completely on topic but just throwing this out there: Anyone know how to send from any user under a personal domain on an iPhone? I have a personal mail domain that I have connected to proton. On my laptop I can send from any user@mydomain.com via Thunderbird connected to a free SendGrid outbound server. But on my phone I can only read mail or send from proton registered user@. Wondering if anyone knows of an ios…

Depends on your actual setup, but I’ll tell you instead when you cannot change it: When using a configuration profile to add the mail account. (Except of course if it’s in the profile already.)

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by matheusmoreira »

bongobingo1 wrote: post #21
openplatypus wrote: post #18

Why do privacy folks recommend Brave? Isn't Brave a commercial, ad serving entity?

All I remember brave for is some crypto nonsense, and looking at wikipedia it seems they were doing some kind of suspect "content creator payments" that were opt-out and not forwarded? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... At the face of it, it sounds like they had a "Donate to platypus" button but you'd only get the donations if you knew to sign up with them on the back end? Gross.

The "crypto nonsense" is the Basic Attention Token. If you enable ads, you get paid in cryptocurrency for your attention.

Completely optional too. First time I've ever seen an advertiser allow users to simply turn off the ads. Plenty of people use Brave on mobile just for the built-in ad blocker. It's not as good as Firefox + uBlock Origin but it's still a huge improvement over Chrome.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by matheusmoreira »

phartenfeller wrote: post #108
ballenf wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's opt-in for people to choose Brave over another browser. It's opt-in for creators to accept payouts. All the complaints mentioned in your link were resolved 2 years ago. Brave returns money to donators if the creator doesn't sign up within 90 days. And creators status with Brave is clearly prominent in the UI. The list of sketchy stuff in Chrome over the years makes Brave look saintly. And Firefox and even Safari…

Depends on the person. As someone who values the environment I don't want any crypto stuff in my browser. Totally not saintly for me.

BAT is built on top of ETH which is moving to proof of stake.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by the_duke »

mherrmann wrote: post #36
openplatypus wrote: post #18

Why do privacy folks recommend Brave? Isn't Brave a commercial, ad serving entity?

Disclaimer: I do consulting work for Brave. Opinions my own. Maintaining a browser is a huge amount of work. The web evolves constantly and security fixes are extremely important. Being competitive in the space requires a very large amount of engineering resources. A commercial entity has a sustainable path to providing those resources. While nobody likes ads, I think they're opt-in in Brave and at the end of the day…

The difficulty is , as always, incentives.

Brave is an ad company, in the sense that their only revenue is from ads.

Brave has every motivation to make external tracking as useless as possible, because it increases the relative competitiveness of their own ad platform. Since they own the browser, they can track as much as they want. I'm not saying that they do this today, their implementation might be very privacy focused right now.

I also appreciate that you need money to maintain a browser, even if it's just a layer on top of Chromium.

But we've seen again and again that maximizing revenue always wins out in the long term.

As long as primary revenue for Brave is ads I don't see why I should trust them any more than Google. Less so in fact, because Google doesn't depend on Chrome to generate revenue. For them it's just a helpful sidekick.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by jacooper »

wanderingmind wrote: post #84

As an aside, I'm looking to move to proton. Any feedback on how good and prompt is their customer care?

ProtonDrive isnt useful outside web.

- protonVPN is great! But its linux app is not. - Proton Mail contact sync doesn't Integrate with the OS itself. - Proton Calendar doesn't integrate with the system, and isn't included with bridge. - Proton is generally very stable and very professional, but their rate of development isn't the fastest. - the proton bridge is great, no problems so far.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by matheusmoreira »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #92
shubhamkrm wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how Brave compares to (Firefox + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger).

Or you can run those two with Brave and not use Brave's built-in shields as much.

Can't do that on mobile.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by matheusmoreira »

shubhamkrm wrote: post #70
plaguepilled wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The short answer is that yes, Brave as a company does have some competing incentives which rightly should be constantly criticised, HOWEVER, Brave the browser performs well in multiple independent reviews of browser privacy. A nice one is https://privacytests.org/ , though there are also some academic studies which I will link if I find.

I wonder how Brave compares to (Firefox + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger).

Brave is inferior to Firefox with uBlock Origin. In my experience advertisers get around Brave's blocker more often.

Re: Protonmail Recommended Browsers

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Post by lolinder »

ridgered4 wrote: post #63

I was until recently using protonmail for throwaway email addresses for various web forums as it allowed a captcha verification during creation. Every other one I'd tried demands SMS verification these days, which is right out. But proton mail recently changed and requires SMS or another email now, I believe they say it is to combat bots. I tried tutanota but it refuses to create an account at all over a VPN, or at l…

I use Fastmail's aliases. It's not secure if you're trying to hide from state actors (your identities will be tied together in Fastmail's servers), but it's good enough for "I don't trust this forum not to get hacked and leak my email".
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