Apple’s Use of AppKit, Mac Catalyst and SwiftUI in macOS

Post by imwillofficial » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 5:37 AM UTC

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Let’s do a thought experiment. If the Mac disappeared today in a puff of smoke, would that result in less iPhones sold, a less prestigious brand, or maybe an improvement? An additional argument is that companies rarely have one major product. Apple is big enough to execute well on several synergistic fronts. $30b is an awesome business all on its own, and compliments, not detracts from, the iPhone brand. Apple should…

> $30b is an awesome business all on its own, and compliments, not detracts from, the iPhone brand. yep, and just because the ratio of revenue is heavily in favor of iphone, there is no reason to subsume (subvert?) the mac ui into its paradigm... the worse ux could result in that 30bn shrinking, wherein they will just devote more resources to consolidation, again accelerating the mac's decline.... its a potential neg…

Post by jbverschoor » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 5:58 AM UTC

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Experiment: 1. Open TextEdit.app 2. Type some random characters. 3. Attempt to quit with Cmd+Q. 4. A dialog box shows up, prompting you to save the file. Hitting Tab just cycles between the "Save As" and "Tags" text fields. There is no way for me to select the "Delete" button with Tab. Challenge: quit TextEdit.app in that situation with they keyboard, without using the mouse, and without saving a file. That's a broad…

For “Delete” specifically you can also simply press ⌘backspace when the save dialog is activated to trigger the button. In some dialogs where the button is “Don’t Save” (i.e. autosave not active) the combo may be ⌘D

Post by flohofwoe » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 7:45 AM UTC

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Supposedly a major justification for the continued separation of Mac and the others (especially iPad) was differing UI interaction patterns. So what are they doing now? Using tools that evolved to serve touch-first interfaces to build desktop applications. The Mac/iPad split grows more confounding with every iteration. Now it feels like familiar desktop features are being reimplemented poorly in both iPadOS _and_ mac…

It shouldn’t be confounding. It seems clear: Apple views the Mac as an iPad with an attached keyboard and optionally cooling. There will be touch on the Mac very soon and they are preemptively getting the Apps ready. The whole Apple Silicon migration is to facilitate this merge of macOS and iPadOS. As soon as the 3 year migration to Apple Silicon is complete and most developers have stopped relying on Rosetta, Macs w…

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 8:21 AM UTC

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Yup. and basically all apps (re)created suck big time. They're just iOS ports. You're forced to do litereally everything using your mouse, and for example the Home app, it's basically useless if you want to organize/edit things. We're going to a CRUD operation world, where you have to do every edit one-by-one. And then in a few years, people will be amazed that you can save so much time because of a new "bulk editing…

Post by yakubin » Sat, Aug 20, 2022, 8:34 AM UTC

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For “Delete” specifically you can also simply press ⌘backspace when the save dialog is activated to trigger the button. In some dialogs where the button is “Don’t Save” (i.e. autosave not active) the combo may be ⌘D

I just press space instead of enter. However: Home: you can only cycle between de navlist on the left, and the top toolbar. The complete app does not respond to the keyboard, probably because they are not buttons, but clickable rects. There's this boilderplate menu "Format". cmd-nr nav behaves weird. Reminders: you can only cycle between de navlist on the left, and the top toolbar. The complete app does not respond t…