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Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by curiousgal »

mrweasel wrote: post #42

I hate these stories, because we have no idea which side is true. The reckless drive is the only charge than can be proven, or at least have vitnesses. Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect. This is to protect both sides.

I am a woman and just scrolling through the NYT article header made me cringe, it felt like a hit peice. Judging by how previous incidents have been portrayed by the media, NYT included, I never take sides. It's up for the courts to determine this.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Post by ainar-g »

webmobdev wrote: post #60
mrweasel wrote: post #42

I hate these stories, because we have no idea which side is true. The reckless drive is the only charge than can be proven, or at least have vitnesses. Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect. This is to protect both sides.

Except for politicians (and perhaps government officials)? Rich people?

The moment you define “rich people”, though, all people who fit that definition will suddenly transfer all of their assets to their spouses and immediately divorce them, heh. Assessing a person's actual worth is not an easy task. Not impossible, mind you, but not easy.

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Post by ignaloidas »

addicted wrote: post #62
Lucasoato wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> usually no smoke without a fire is pretty good thumb-rule about these things No, that's exactly the reason why trial by Twitter shouldn't be done, you don't know what actually happened.

This isn’t trial by Twitter. This is actual human beings approaching legitimate newspapers with fact checking departments and legal departments and risks of defamation lawsuits, providing their stories and attaching their names to it. Everyone of the entities involved are at risk of being sued for defamation if they are lying in this situation. The fact that people can’t tell the difference between Twitter BS and act…

Defamation is a hard thing to prove. For one, the one who publishes must know that something isn't true. Newspapers have zero risk of that when they quote somebody's statement.

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Post by boppo1 »

addicted wrote: post #62
Lucasoato wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> usually no smoke without a fire is pretty good thumb-rule about these things No, that's exactly the reason why trial by Twitter shouldn't be done, you don't know what actually happened.

This isn’t trial by Twitter. This is actual human beings approaching legitimate newspapers with fact checking departments and legal departments and risks of defamation lawsuits, providing their stories and attaching their names to it. Everyone of the entities involved are at risk of being sued for defamation if they are lying in this situation. The fact that people can’t tell the difference between Twitter BS and act…

>fact checking departments

The age of clickbait has reduced these to a farce. I've seen fact-checks that were blatantly false.

There are no reputable papers anymore.

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Post by sokoloff »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #72
addicted wrote: post #68

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Everyone applauded because 70k was a huge improvement over what most people were being paid in Seattle. Not everyone gets paid software developer salaries.

Sure, but his company is a credit card processing company, so there are probably a lot of tech workers. I mean, a quick look at Glassdoor will show that while they do pay their "minimum" wage workers (which is probably an incredibly small part of their employees given the industry it's in) way above market, they underpay the rest and it is mentioned in almost all the negative reviews.

Sounds like they/he decided to pay their workers more evenly across the different roles. That choice would be internally consistent and desirable for some.

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Post by boppo1 »

listenallyall wrote: post #104
cardanome wrote: post #64

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If one wanted to wage a dirt campaign against him the accusations would look exactly like they do now. He is obviously a controversial figure. Might have rustled the wrong feathers. Many accusation are also very nebulous, hard to verify and avoiding anything concrete that could get the person making them get sued for defamation. Of course, he also could just be an asshole and abuser. We simply can't know.

Just curious if you have an opinion regarding Deshaun Watson or his accusers. For context, he is a high-profile quarterback who earlier today was suspended by the NFL, based on a series of mostly anonymous accusations of sexual misconduct.

Do you?

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Post by klabb3 »

istinetz wrote: post #101
cycomanic wrote: post #73

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Ask yourself, would you let your daughter/spouse/sister go on a date/business dinner alone with him after reading the times article?

I don't want to read the times article, it's just going to be more accusations and conjecture without proof And even if I did, and decided I don't want to let my daughter near him based on the rumours, I would certainly not slander him in public based on rumours

The problem is the bar for proof, like a guilty verdict, is so high in cases of massive power differentials, that it is almost unreachable. Look at Harvey. It was an open secret for decades. He used his connections, payoffs, shady private investigators to suppress his victims. Or like Dan Price put it himself:

> “In the unlikely event that you are falsely accused, remember that it will be much easier for you to overcome false allegations than it will be for actual victims to overcome the trauma of harassment or assault.”

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Post by dfadsadsf »

smt88 wrote: post #70
askafriend wrote: post #33

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What are you talking about, all of Silicon Valley saw the red flags and passed on investing. It’s the old school, non-tech East Coast investors and DC political connections that failed to do their diligence.

Nearly 100% of Theranos's investors were West Coast people and prominently included Tim Draper and Larry Ellison. It is hilarious that you think there is some magic skill to tech investing that makes these people less crudulous. https://www.crunchbase.com/search/principal.investors/field/...

Context matter. Tim invested small (for him) amount of money in company of daughter of the family friend. At seed stage - there was really no due diligence to do at the time.

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Post by pvaldes »

caractacus wrote: post #63
pvaldes wrote: post #28

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Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why al…

Totally different situation then

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Post by telltruth »

mrweasel wrote: post #42

I hate these stories, because we have no idea which side is true. The reckless drive is the only charge than can be proven, or at least have vitnesses. Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect. This is to protect both sides.

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