I swear Ubuntu is being prepped to become Windows 12
.NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Millions of businesses run on Microsoft platforms and software developed on/for Microsoft platforms for decades. I think you are painting darker picture than it really is. Or please elaborate a little what you mean by "betraying".
I believe, sooner or later, MS will put some arbitrary restrictions on .net or some part of its toolchain, forcing users to purchase a license to make it usable. It will probably involve "cloud" to sign/notarize your binaries to distribute them and give MS complete control of the ecosystem. Obviously, I have no idea what exactly will MS do, but after reaching some adoption target, MS will try to extract as much money…
> MS will put some arbitrary restrictions on .net or some part of its toolchain.
I doubt this. Microsoft's monetary strategy around .NET for a number is years has been "look at how easy you can deploy/run/monitor your .NET app on Azure!", I don't see that changing to anything else unless there's a massive change of priority and executive leadership at Microsoft.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#113Meh. In the end, Microsoft will betray those who trusted it. Long term, better just to pretend it does not exist and never, ever depend on anything with Microsoft name on it.
Someone with strong negative opinions about Microsoft, but none about the FAANG companies, is usually struck in the past, maybe 20 years ago.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
.Net has run better on Linux (edit: better than on Windows) machines since at least before the pandemic. I'm a Java dev, but I have also developed on .Net and running modern .Net on Linux is about as simple as it get.
Does visual studio run on linux yet? That's my rubicon for taking .net seriously. It's not just about the runtime, the tooling has to be present as well.
Your rubicon is about 5 years out of date. VS Code and Rider are excellent tooling for .Net on or off Windows OS.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#115Where do you host your .net projects? I am especially interested in anything other than azure webapp and VM's/IIS.
I have a couple apps on Azure App Service, but all the companies I've worked at simply host them on Docker images (on AWS or on a private cloud)
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#116Microsoft seems like "a house divided" when it comes to opening .NET. They open source the core language, but have different proprietary dev tools (debugging for one) you need to pay for. https://isdotnetopen.com/ goes over these in more detail, but I'd rather use an ecosystem where I don't have to worry things will be progressively locked down in the future.
The debugger is part of Visual Studio, which is a paid product. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to not publish the source for it.
There's nothing inherent about the debugger that forces it to be in visual studio. There was a moment, circa 2016 or so, when it could have been opened and then collaborated on with Jetbrains. Instead, MS leadership circled the wagons due to OSS FUD that they get sometimes, and Jetbrains was forced to build a better debugger that's also tied to its IDE.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#117Microsoft seems like "a house divided" when it comes to opening .NET. They open source the core language, but have different proprietary dev tools (debugging for one) you need to pay for. https://isdotnetopen.com/ goes over these in more detail, but I'd rather use an ecosystem where I don't have to worry things will be progressively locked down in the future.
I guess I'm not that worried about it. There are other debuggers available. JetBrains has a proprietary one. Samsung's is MIT licensed and linked in your link.
It seems like they spooked the community with this VSCode plugin thing but it also feels like not that big a deal. MS wants VSCode to interface with things they can sell along with the open source. Is that so bad? I get the worry that the MS support of OSS could dry up but that could be said for all kinds of OSS projects with corpo backers, no?
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> too few selling points There are significant performance improvements, and the new language features of C# depend on the later versions - that might not be such a big deal, but it will become more acute as the language improves.
You can get most of the new language features to work with .Net Framework by overriding the LanguageVersion in the build. I did this to get nullable type annotations and pattern matching to work when I inherited a .Net Disaster. There are a few that require compiler interop which don't work, like using new syntax on records for specifying the fields (e.g., "record A(int a, int b)").
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Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#119Seems like great news but I wonder if these releases help the .NET ecosystem in a meaningful anyway. Almost all .NET developers I know still use Windows even on cloud.
We use linux for everything
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#120Seems like great news but I wonder if these releases help the .NET ecosystem in a meaningful anyway. Almost all .NET developers I know still use Windows even on cloud.
Been running .NET on Linux for years and develop with it on Mac, great experience.