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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by xs83 »

neodypsis wrote: post #5
gcharris wrote: post #4

I don't know why anyone would build anything that relies on a google offering these days. What are they going to discontinue next?

That's why I prefer to invest time and effort on AWS. I know I won't have to rewrite everything from scratch whenever Google feels like abandoning their projects.

That's exactly what you will do - invest time, and energy, a lot of both because AWS is a victim of its own legacy. Everything is an after-thought, everything is messy and its genuinely painful to use on anything except some basic UI driven functionality.

EC2 and S3 and some basic hosting stuff is fine but newer services such as AWS Glue, Athena etc are a horrendous mess for anything other than 101 type stuff.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by xs83 »

patwolf wrote: post #46

I've been a defender of GCP in the past, and I've been quick to point out that while Google has a reputation for killing products, GCP has been fairly stable. This, however, changes my opinion. I've been successfully using Cloud IoT for a few years. Now I need to find an alternative. There's a vendor named ClearBlade that announced today a direct migration path, but at this point I'd rather roll my own.

We did this, EMQX + Kubernetes across multiple AZ's has worked very nicely so far and its cloud portable / on-prem if necessary :)

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by joezydeco »

moogleii wrote: post #68
joezydeco wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is IoT a hobbyist business? I deployed a large restaurant equipment project on Azure backends and couldn't be happier. I've made a policy of not touching Google for anything embedded-related and it continues to pay off. I guess, yeah, anything non-AdWords related is a hobby. For Google .

I think he's saying sane businesses will stay away from GCP, leaving the hobbyists, and there aren't enough of them to sustain GCP.

Not just GCP.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by ctolkien »

vineyardmike wrote: post #90
dylan604 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do IoT devices not have a USB port to allow for updating of the firmware?

some do but you need to actually take every device - which you may have sold to customers - and update. Industrial stuff has multi decade contracts often in remote places.

Devices we worked with for a project (thankfully not on GCP) are welded shut once built. They are designed to run for years on an internal battery then need to be recycled. They would all be paperweights in this scenario!

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by derekcollison »

xs83 wrote: post #110
grepLeigh wrote: post #62

I'm in the process of migrating PrintNanny.ai's remote command/event system off Cloud IoT Core. I've been running on IoT Core for 1.5 years. Here's my breakdown of the costs... - $236.99 in usage, approx 1% of project's total revenue - ~20 hours to implement pub/sub applications running on a mix of Raspberry Pi & GCP VMs. Implementations were in Rust and Python. It would have taken much, much longer to stand up a man…

NATS doesn't support MQTTv5 so for serious MQTT usage it is still useless unfortunately.

We are waiting on demand for it. We have a bunch of folks using MQTT on NATS and NGS but no requests yet for MQTTv5 so far.

Once we see legit demand we will make sure it's supported.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by rkagerer »

dekhn wrote: post #71
acdha wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no doubt that they have invested a lot of money but that doesn’t guarantee returns and data centers have a fair amount of cost to keep running. The big thing I’d like is to have Google Cloud broken out as a separate business. While it’s true that shutting it down would harm them, I haven’t gotten the impression that their management are especially concerned. As an enterprise customer of both, AWS seems way mo…

I reward AWS with my business and tolerate GCP when necessary. What's funny is there was a core of engineers back in 2009 who understood everything necessary to get the technical side of Cloud to be competitive with AWS, and mostly succeeded, but by then, it was clear that Google simply didn't know how to market to enterprises. The whole thing was a squandered opportunity and I simply did not understand at the time (…

I simply did not understand at the time (2009-2011) just how unprepared Google's leadership was to expand beyond ads.

That's a succinct and on-point observation.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by 41b696ef1113 »

mhoad wrote: post #85

I see Google is getting a spanking in this thread and I wouldn’t suggest for a moment that they don’t deserve it. However, I hadn’t seen anyone mention the specific Enterprise API / product designation they rolled out over a year ago to deal with this kind of thing. If I understood things correctly when they launched it [1] the plan was to start by saying which parts of the GCP platform you could confidently rely on…

Ah yes, the "It's still in Beta" defense.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by xs83 »

derekcollison wrote: post #116
xs83 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NATS doesn't support MQTTv5 so for serious MQTT usage it is still useless unfortunately.

We are waiting on demand for it. We have a bunch of folks using MQTT on NATS and NGS but no requests yet for MQTTv5 so far. Once we see legit demand we will make sure it's supported.

I think its a vicious cycle - No one supports it so services don't implement it, and because no services implement it people use hacky ways to do what MQTTv5 does out of the box or use services they normally wouldn't because the ones they want only support MQTT 3.1.1.

We use NATS for pretty much all of our MQ / Service Bus type stuff, we were using GCP Iot, AWS IoT and recently moved to EMQX as it has native MQTTv5 support.

NATS would have been a much better choice for us but the support wasn't there.

Build it and they will come :)

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by derekcollison »

xs83 wrote: post #119
derekcollison wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are waiting on demand for it. We have a bunch of folks using MQTT on NATS and NGS but no requests yet for MQTTv5 so far. Once we see legit demand we will make sure it's supported.

I think its a vicious cycle - No one supports it so services don't implement it, and because no services implement it people use hacky ways to do what MQTTv5 does out of the box or use services they normally wouldn't because the ones they want only support MQTT 3.1.1. We use NATS for pretty much all of our MQ / Service Bus type stuff, we were using GCP Iot, AWS IoT and recently moved to EMQX as it has native MQTTv5 s…

Would your company be willing to fund the development? Or would you be willing to post a PR? We would be happy to take a look.
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