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Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by epolanski »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #23

Honest question: Would somebody at this "level" be better than good at something like StarCraft ? Noted that SC takes more than "just strategy" i.e micro comes to mind. Like I would pay good money to see Serral Vs Magnus, maybe after some coaching sessions with Harstem ? :D ? EDIT: Just out of curiosity will there be anything else that someone at this level is "exceptional" good at besides chess ?

Magnus would do well if he applied to anything involving math and calculations.

SC has a sane dose of reflexes and micro management.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by baby »

xiaodai wrote: post #107

meh. this will never happen in shogi or weiqi world. chess is a mess. the issue with top level chess is that draws are the most common result. it doesn't matter for mere mortals like us but it does get boring to follow top level chess vs go and shogi. xiangqi's got the same issue

Go/weiqi really is much more entertaining than chess, but chess has won the west. I think the US has the same issue with football being quite boring to watch compared to soccer/rugby, but marketing has prevented the other sports to proliferate.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by adrianN »

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #72
adrianN wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chess on an infinite board is asymptotically difficult in the worst case. Chess on an 8x8 board can be solved in constant time.

Not sure if this was sarcasm, but that's like saying NP-hardness is no big deal because we only care about finite problems.

NP-hardness is indeed often not a big deal in practice because NP-hardness is a statement about asymptotic worst case complexity. In practice you have some finite size problems that are often of average difficulty, not of worst case difficulty. For example, we solve instances of SAT every day, some of them quite large. Even humans are able to solve many Sudoku puzzles, even though Sudoku is NP-hard.

If you hang with the right crowds (for example people into software correctness), PSPACE completeness is easy and you even solve undecidable problems every day.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by noSyncCloud »

nhumrich wrote: post #44
fouronnes3 wrote: post #22

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> Chess, in theory, with absolutely perfect play, is a draw. While this is highly likely and essentially agreed upon by all experts on the matter, it's not proven yet.

Chess is still no-hard, so "proving this" will be near impossible. The closest we have is statistics. I remember watching a "bot battle." A chess tournament for bots only, algorithms playing eachother. Nearly 70% of these games ended in draw.

https://tcec-chess.com/

70% draws is a very small number, really. Not conclusive at all.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by piker »

taneq wrote: post #100
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #84

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> And against Nepo it was a steamroll, understandably meeting him again isn't that exciting. The first half of the match wasn't even close to a steamroll. It's just Ian broke mentally after that famous 6th game. The candidate tournament showed that he had more than recovered from that loss and I think he would be in a much better shape to challenge Carlsen again. Also, with Carlsen's current attitude, it is quite pos…

Does it count as 'breaking' if you're just tired of the game and don't want to play any more? Surely it's OK to stop and do other things eventually?

Not sure there will be much distinction in the history books unless there’s an accompanying rule change, etc. that comes out of it.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by dwighttk »

taneq wrote: post #100
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #84

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> And against Nepo it was a steamroll, understandably meeting him again isn't that exciting. The first half of the match wasn't even close to a steamroll. It's just Ian broke mentally after that famous 6th game. The candidate tournament showed that he had more than recovered from that loss and I think he would be in a much better shape to challenge Carlsen again. Also, with Carlsen's current attitude, it is quite pos…

Does it count as 'breaking' if you're just tired of the game and don't want to play any more? Surely it's OK to stop and do other things eventually?

It is both okay to stop and do other things eventually and it also counts as ‘breaking’

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by jstx1 »

dmurray wrote: post #71
ShivShankaran wrote: post #27

Russia is playing China in the world championship. I wonder if US is getting a serious heartburn

Four of the world top ten currently [0] represent the US, versus one from each of six other countries. They're the favourites for the upcoming Olympiad. Elite level chess in the US is just doing fine. [0] add your own asterisks for how important it is, but all four moved from abroad, three when they were already world class players

It's 3 - Caruana, Aronian and So - https://ratings.fide.com/

Also, Caruana was born in Miami to Italian parents and lived in the US and played for the US until he was 12.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by adrianN »

piva00 wrote: post #83
adrianN wrote: post #54

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Chess on an infinite board is asymptotically difficult in the worst case. Chess on an 8x8 board can be solved in constant time.

Why hasn't it been done then?

We haven't build enough Dyson spheres to power a computer of the right size yet.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by Gehinnn »

franknstein wrote: post #50
TomGullen wrote: post #17

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In theory, wouldn't the player who takes the first move have a tiny tiny edge? Or is the second mover always able to guarantee a draw if they play perfectly?

There is a small chance that deep into the tree the first to play gets into zugzwang first, meaning position with no good moves. Is there any other scenario where playing black would give you theoretical edge? So until proven otherwise it's still possible that its theoretical win for white, theoretical draw or theoretical win for black as i understand it.

Zugzwang is the only way for white to lose. Without Zugzwang and a winning strategy for black for chess with Zugzwang, white could skip the first move and now has the winning strategy.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Post by dwighttk »

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #68
sgjohnson wrote: post #11

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> They have also become less entertaining. The classical World Championship matches have never been entertaining to watch live. In fact they used to take 2 days for one game. > No one dares to take any risks. Caruana was just defensive and all games ended in a draw. Chess, in theory, with absolutely perfect play, is a draw. It's not a game of "risk" in classical time format. You can take risks in blitz and rapid, but…

> Chess, in theory, with absolutely perfect play, is a draw. True, but that doesn't mean that you can't treat chess like other sports and try to incentivize wins - for example giving win/loss/draw a 3:1:0 point ratio. The world championship is not a good format to decide "who's the best at chess", and anyway we already know who that is right now. Might as well treat it as a spectator sport and add some drama in my op…

How would point ratio help if every game is a draw? Maybe if it was a round robin tournament that would help top two players competing for wins against less highly rated people and then drawing against each other. Like Liverpool and Man City
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