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New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by NoPicklez »

worewood wrote: post #108
ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why this is the consistent take. We have e-scooters and bikes with limiters on speed, why would this be materially different than cars? It's not like it needs to slam on the brake, it just needs to disengage acceleration past a certain speed. This isn't new grounds for tech and it is _currently_ deployed on our streets. I'm not sure what the panic over this is, if anything this is a good thing - why shou…

The limits on ebikes are to prevent battery and motor overheating and catching fire.

And the limits that could be imposed on cars are to prevent people from crashing and killing others and exceeding the speed limit.

I don't see the difference, they're both valid reasons to reduce speed.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

varajelle wrote: post #86

Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast. But that's just the title of an Australian website. In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell…

Further, a website that most Australians would consider biased towards motoring enthusiasts and not afraid of dabbling in clickbait-y crap to drive (hehe) traffic to their website (examples below).

https://www.drive.com.au/news/bugatti-la-voiture-noire-for-7...

https://www.drive.com.au/news/chinese-flying-car-begins-test...

https://www.drive.com.au/news/suv-driver-charged-more-for-tr...

Now, I have cherry picked them in the sense that they stood out to me from their more typical motoring news or promotional material which makes up most of their content. So I don't think they are inherently worthless but they are certainly pretty low on the journalistic effort side of things.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by cm2187 »

noduerme wrote: post #22

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

It’s funny because most recent crime movies have become implausible when you know the level of monitoring and forensic (whether electronic, DNA, CCTVs, etc). It kinds of ruin the story to me.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by behringer »

NoPicklez wrote: post #111
worewood wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The limits on ebikes are to prevent battery and motor overheating and catching fire.

And the limits that could be imposed on cars are to prevent people from crashing and killing others and exceeding the speed limit. I don't see the difference, they're both valid reasons to reduce speed.

Because I tell machines what to do. I don't take orders from a computer.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by standardUser »

userbinator wrote: post #107
standardUser wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, it's grotesquely fuel inefficient.

I'll be as inefficient as I want, because I'm paying for my own fuel.

Right, I was stating a reason why a rational person would not want to drive at excessive speeds, as the comment asked.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by CharlesW »

_8j50 wrote: post #88

A better idea would be to mandate black-boxes so if you do get pulled over there is no contest on whether or not you were speeding or made a full stop at the stop sign. You can use that as evidence and it can be used against you as well. This way, when I am driving on 85mph limited road under ideal conditions and little traffic I can pass other cars doing 100mph or more to get past the current pack and stay under 90…

> A better idea would be to mandate black-boxes…

https://rislone.com/blog/general/does-my-car-have-a-black-bo...

"If your car is a model from this century, there's a fair chance you do indeed, have a black box fitted somewhere within it. Black boxes have been in some of the major American car brands, like Buick, Chevy and Cadillac, since all the way back to 1994. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been using them to collect car accident data since early in the 2000s. If your car is from 2013 or later, you are almost guaranteed to have a black box. Less than 5 percent of new cars came without one in 2013, and they are mandated in all new vehicles since 2014."

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by NoPicklez »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #55

This is not a bad idea - but speed limits have not changed to reflect changing cars. Speed limits are stuck at 100km in Australia and have been for decades - despite cars introducing anti-lock breaking, predictive breaking, anti-rollover technology, lane assist and so on. Cars are now much much safer, and yet speed limits outside of cities have not changed to reflect this. If the government wants to introduce speed l…

I'd say the majority of the country doesn't have predictive braking, lane assist, lane departure detection, adaptive cruise control.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by varajelle »

userbinator wrote: post #101
varajelle wrote: post #86

Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast. But that's just the title of an Australian website. In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell…

First it's optional. Then they make it increasingly harder to disable. Then they make it mandatory. Surely everyone who has experienced abusive changes in software can see that pattern from a mile away? They aren't going to roast the frog, but instead boil it very slowly...

Well, this is like with all slippery slope argument. First they set the speed limit to 70, then to 50, then to 20, then you can't drive at all. So better not let them set any limit?

What this is is just adapting an already extremely regulated field to the new technologies.

Road safety and regulations has massively improved the safety of cars in the last few decades, therefore saving many lives. And yet, car driving is still one of the most dangerous method of transport, causing countless of fatalities every year.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by CharlesW »

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #94
joebob42 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that it's almost never correct to drive the speed limit. In the US at least they are almost universally slower than the natural speed of the road by 5-10 mph and everyone speeds a bit all the time.

This is a bit preposterous. First off, do you know how speeds are set? Civil engineers build a road, and then figure out the 85th percentile speed for that road based on sample data collected. [0] That's a couple things: 1. Not based on any actual design criteria for the road 2. Assumes that 85% of drivers are somehow more knowledgeable than the engineers who are supposed to be designing our roads and transportation.…

> The claim that you should be always able to go 5-10mph above the limit seems to be a mythos invented in and ingrained in the fabric of the American psyche.

I think you're misinterpreting the parent commenter. They said that, in the U.S., speed limits are almost universally slower than the natural (i.e. prevailing) speed of traffic by 5-10 MPH, and so everyone driving at the prevailing speed of traffic is inevitably exceeding the posted speed limit by a bit.

That is definitely true, at least if you're not in the rightmost lane of traffic sandwiched between semis and box trucks. 75-80 MPH in 70 MPH zones is common, and it's not unusual to see people driving 85+ MPH.

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