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Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by bpicolo »

tlear wrote: post #81
akhmatova wrote: post #45

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My employer just announced last Friday that starting July 5th being in the office Tue-Thu is mandatory. Then you need to remind your employer that your presence on the team is not "mandatory", but rather optional. In the form of the 2-week notice you give once you have found a much better job that also respects your health and sanity.

It really depends where you live and work. I used to work for a startup few years back that was 15minutes bike ride from my apartment. So MUCH better for my mental health. Now I am remote with a company on a different continent, it is good and I have a home office but sometimes I just get my laptop and go to a coffee shop for no reason. Might get a permanent desk at a coworksping space. Even with dedicated space at h…

Yeah - I* want my office and home to be separate spaces. I like to have a short commute (ideally walking). Walking with no destination in mind in the morning just doesn't suit the same purpose for me. :(

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by labratmatt »

The company I work for seems to be trending toward remote. It feels like a bad trend to me - quality of work is lower. Creativity is lower.

Put me in a room with a few other folks, some whiteboards and some laptops and magic happens. Hanging around the house and chatting on zoom+slack is boring, pathetic and produces no magic.

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Post by xeromal »

boppo1 wrote: post #20
_fat_santa wrote: post #3

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Personally I never use easy apply or go through websites, I always talk to a recruiter on LinkedIn. Usually I'll get 1-2 messages per week from recruiters about a position, I'll politely decline but tell them I would like to keep in touch. Whenever I go looking for another gig, all those recruiters are hit up. IMO, having a recruiter helps you cut through a ton of BS like filling out job applications, recruiter takes…

How do you go looking for recruiters?

I just save ones that write reasonable emails to me. You can definitely get a feel if they're worth your time or not depending on how they phrase their email to you.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by Tainnor »

I switched jobs recently and when I was looking, it was definitely the case that remote work was advertised as a perk.

I'm not particularly fond of wfh, and prefer a vibrant office setting, but I realised that I would have a hard time finding a place where in-person work would be the norm. So now I settled for a job where there is still an office, but most developers never go (my boss is at least there 1-2 times a week). I also don't go every day (it's a bit far), and since not a lot of people are there maybe I'll go even less, although I do find that I can work better from there.

It's not ideal, but for now I'm trying to make it work. I certainly like the flexibility and I don't think anyone would want to go back to a fully Mo-Fri in the office kind of setup (me neither), but I do wonder if we'll see a reverse of the trend in a couple of years where a nice office and a good in-person atmosphere will be advertised as a perk, too.

We'll see. 2 years of pandemic is not necessarily enough for everyone to make up their minds on their preferred mode of working. And while I know that "wfh or I'll quit" kind of people are very vocal, I also know a number of people who enjoy going to the office regularly. Ideally, in some years, wfh people will apply to wfh companies and in-person people will apply to in-person companies (with some flexibility around wfh, of course), and everyone can find something that works for them.

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Post by tessierashpool »

gkop wrote: post #65
dml2135 wrote: post #62

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Living in NYC, I can't tell if by "status implications" you mean that a 600 sq ft apartment is swanky or cheap.

Ah, I meant cheap (in terms of apartment space and interior, not in terms of rent). I'm in a nice neighborhood in Oakland, CA fwiw.

600 sq ft in Oakland isn't that far off from 600 sq ft in NYC at this point. it's cheaper, but it's getting there.

I've thought about moving back to the Bay, but I can get two to four times as much square feet at the same price, and I've been working mostly remote for almost 20 years.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by Uptrenda »

akhmatova wrote: post #44
Uptrenda wrote: post #12

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Don't take it personally. You should expect a large number of companies to ghost you. It's just part of the process. Keep going and believe in yourself.

You should expect a large number of companies to ghost you. It's just part of the process. I would say no - it's not part of the "process". Every company swears they are against ghosting (and are "shocked" when it gets publicly exposed), but they all keep doing it anyway. It's a reflection of the cynical, emotionally immature nature of this industry.

What's depressing as hell is when you first start searching for a job and you've put in a massive effort yet for like ~a week you get no responses. It really kills moral. But usually then all the replies come in a deluge and you wonder why you were ever worried to begin with. Job searching is a legit emotional roller coaster, lmaoo.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by the_doctah »

rebeccaskinner wrote: post #41
timr wrote: post #19

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> decrease worker efficiency by encouraging repeated Covid exposure leading to both more short term leave due to sick employees and less effective employees in the long run due to long Covid PSA: this is wild speculation. There's no definition of what "long covid" is, and there's certainly no evidence that it is made worse by getting Covid more than once. If anything, the opposite is true: we know that repeat infecti…

You are (mostly) wrong. The definitions of long Covid are indeed a bit inconsistent for now, but there’s evidence that both repeated infections do tend to be worse with the omicron variants (possibly due to t-cell exhaustion but I’m not sure if that’s the only factor), and that repeat exposures are at least not protective against long Covid (this isn’t settled science yet, and there are a lot of confounding variables…

You lost me at "T-Cell exhaustion". If that were a thing, repeated boosters wouldn't really make sense, now would it?

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by [deleted] »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #59
lefstathiou wrote: post #24

Early on (during Covid) I made the decision that remote work was not for our company (SAAS for financial services) and two years in have zero regrets about it. We are clear about our expectations so there are no surprises to employees and new hires (or we filter out people that want it). Most of our clients in financial services have reached the same conclusion. One of my clients at a large bulge bracket said “if the…

> if these people insist on not being in the office we may just outsource the job for a tenth of the comp Hah, they can go ahead and do that. In fact I encourage it because it makes me more money in the end. When the software falls apart due to shoddy practices, they'll learn a very hard lesson when coming back to reality and end up paying people like me double (at best) what they would've originally paid to fix the…

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Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Post by slotrans »

I desperately want to work in an office again, but there are effectively no opportunities to do so. The companies doing in-office around here are outfits like Dish Network, that everyone knows are terrible employers.

Like it or not, the software labor market is now nationwide, and remote is the rule rather than the exception. I don't know how long that will last, as I see very obvious negatives to remote for creative work, but for now that's how it is.

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Post by willcipriano »

We are rapidly approaching 10% inflation and had similar numbers the previous two years. When inflation was 3% firms struggled to keep up with it. I see WFH as a inflation salary adjustment, this leaves me with high expectations for in person jobs that so far nobody has been able to meet.
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