39. Be not a grumbler.
I have failed, but sqlite yields no grumbling
The SQLite Code of Ethics
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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
This part: >The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability. [...] In other words, the developers are saying: "We will treat you this way regardless of how you treat us." I would definitely not be able to honestly commit to such a pledge. Do you think they will add a "(except epa095)" if I get hired? Or maybe I just won't get hired. IDK, but…
Why not? If you're, for example, irreligious, then the best of your ability obviously doesn't include religious observations (and in fact, one could even make a solid argument that "interactions with each other, with their clients, and with the larger SQLite user community" don't touch the religious portions of Benedictine rules even for religious SQLite contributors because the clauses talking about relationship wit…
> Why not?
why does it matter? If a company only hires men would you tell woman that they could just say they identify as men, and therefore there is no problem?
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#113seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…
I can't help but notice the contrast with the popular, Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which makes it abundantly clear its aim to enforce a set of beliefs on its contributors, with no boundaries between professional and personal life.
> a set of beliefs
The elephant in the room in many current attempts to encourage "diversity" is that a genuinely diverse range of opinions and/or beliefs ends up being not welcome at all.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
>When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears. Let's do the math: Christianity has been around for around two orders of magnitude longer than any of the compilers or dev tools you're using on your project. There are probably three orders of magnitude more people who use Christianity than are using any of the languages used in your project. There are probably six or…
I think you entirely managed to miss the point there. People don't tell you they lost their faith. They just stop following their code of ethics that was bound to it. I trust a faceless corporation over this attitude.
You trust a faceless corporation more than someone who demonstrates the ability to learn, grow and adapt their thinking over time?
You and I see this differently.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#116Before I got to talk with Richard, I found many things online about his Christian values and public domain license and how odd it was. And I thought this was THE fascinating thing about Richard that led to the database and other things. But then I talked to him. He's a great engineer but a regular guy running a business around a thing he built. He gets to be a bit whimsical because he can. He can use his own source c…
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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? If you're, for example, irreligious, then the best of your ability obviously doesn't include religious observations (and in fact, one could even make a solid argument that "interactions with each other, with their clients, and with the larger SQLite user community" don't touch the religious portions of Benedictine rules even for religious SQLite contributors because the clauses talking about relationship wit…
> Why not? why does it matter? If a company only hires men would you tell woman that they could just say they identify as men, and therefore there is no problem?
That's a really bad analogy because I'm really not being asked to identify as a Benedictine here. In fact in order for your analogy to be more correct, the exact opposite -- "they could just say they don't identify as men" -- would have to be said.
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#118This is way more fucked up than any "code of conduct" but treated much less controversially on HN
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
A Muslim coworker of mine once wrote a program that would log a prayer during startup. It was always fun when that block of text would randomly show up in one place or another.
I can see how something limited in scope, accepted by the team could be fun and quirky but what if every coworker started writing little scripts with their own beliefs popping up in one place or another?
The Slack channels would finally be interesting
Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?
> ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"? Now hear here miss, while true that the board of directors are all men, and have been so for 5 decades, we reject any notion of sexism as we clearly have here a document which states that “We believe men are superior to women, but we do not require employees to hold this belief…” also it’s voluntary and a…
Not quite sure where the document says anything about women. While Benedictines couldn't include women, I strongly doubt that there is any such insinuation here.