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Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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Hey this looks pretty awesome. Currently I work in LATAM for international corporations and it is also hard for us, developers, to find a good fit. Dealing with Latin American agencies is always a pain, it seems Astro might attract companies that care more about their people and building quality, long term relationships. What are you doing to treat candidates like human beings? How do developers join your roster?

Being in a similar context I must concur. My experiences are anecdotal but let's say that is better being taken advantage of by a US or EU company than to be 'well treated' by a local company.

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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Brazilians tend to take two hour lunches without work interruptions. Outside of that time, the ones I have worked with have been fast and responsive. Had I not known that I too probably would have thought they were slow and unresponsive. I figured that out by actually going down there and working with them for a week. As far as the "unlbock people, get shit done, etc..." I think that's the case with a lot of outsourc…

I wholeheartedly second this. I have an unique lens on this issue as I'm in a unique spot. Despite being Brazilian myself, for most of my career I worked and managed US based developers, and just very very recently shifted to working directly with Brazilians. I saw no major difference in responsiveness and "get shit done" (aka initiative) between those two cohorts. The only thing that took me by surprise is that Braz…

Why should someone be happy to deal with work stuff outside of work hours? It seems to be a thing in the US, but not in Europe or other places.

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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Would you be willing to share your research? my email is on my profile if you are.

Sure, emailed.

At this point, you might be tired of requests, but I'm also interested :).

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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I wholeheartedly second this. I have an unique lens on this issue as I'm in a unique spot. Despite being Brazilian myself, for most of my career I worked and managed US based developers, and just very very recently shifted to working directly with Brazilians. I saw no major difference in responsiveness and "get shit done" (aka initiative) between those two cohorts. The only thing that took me by surprise is that Braz…

Why should someone be happy to deal with work stuff outside of work hours? It seems to be a thing in the US, but not in Europe or other places.

I agree with you, nobody should. But what took me by surprise was that they get angry even about their headspaces. For instance, sending someone a text and saying "don't worry about this until you're back from your break" will yield little to no effect, as they value being completely disconnected from work during any hours they're not being paid for.

Which I think is perfectly reasonable.

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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Why should someone be happy to deal with work stuff outside of work hours? It seems to be a thing in the US, but not in Europe or other places.

I agree with you, nobody should. But what took me by surprise was that they get angry even about their headspaces. For instance, sending someone a text and saying "don't worry about this until you're back from your break" will yield little to no effect, as they value being completely disconnected from work during any hours they're not being paid for. Which I think is perfectly reasonable.

I think the problem there is that in toxic workplaces that can be "don't worry about this until you're back from your break wink wink" and in reality you are expected to get it done.

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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Why should someone be happy to deal with work stuff outside of work hours? It seems to be a thing in the US, but not in Europe or other places.

I agree with you, nobody should. But what took me by surprise was that they get angry even about their headspaces. For instance, sending someone a text and saying "don't worry about this until you're back from your break" will yield little to no effect, as they value being completely disconnected from work during any hours they're not being paid for. Which I think is perfectly reasonable.

I don't live in LATAM but I have every work device switched off and stowed away during the night, and weekends. I'm not getting paid to do overtime or to be on-call so why would I? I think this should be the normal for everyone. You can't be on 24/7 else you'll pay for it with your health.

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

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At those prices I'd expect inflating estimates, catfishing juniors by selling seniors in interview/contacts and splitting senior staff between multiple clients. Basically that's the price range a senior developer can make on his own remoting on platforms like toptal - there's no buffer there for the agency cut unless they are some partnership or losing money to catch clients. And best case scenario - they have decent…

We kept encountering the same issues you mention. Our teammates weren't satisfied with the outsourcing company and didn't like being interleaved between projects (formally or informally). And with negotiating down lower rates, the clients they tended to attract weren't exactly tech companies, which was uninspiring for our latam teammates. We believe that by providing a platform that lets tech companies provide a prem…

Dude - it's way better for companies to hire developers directly, no need for a middle man like Astro that's charging 15% (eg. 15% of $80k/yr = $12k/yr in middle man fees)... platforms like letsdeel.com or remote.com charge as little as $50/mo per person to take care of compliance and payroll

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

#119
post #80

Hey this looks pretty awesome. Currently I work in LATAM for international corporations and it is also hard for us, developers, to find a good fit. Dealing with Latin American agencies is always a pain, it seems Astro might attract companies that care more about their people and building quality, long term relationships. What are you doing to treat candidates like human beings? How do developers join your roster?

Yeah you don't really need a middle man to "take care of payroll." Most developers in Latam prefer to be contractors on paper, and have a direct relationship with the employer. Most agencies take a 30-50% cut of what employers pay, way better for developers to skip the middleman

Re: Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in Latin America

#120

This looks cool! I've been bullish on Latin America since remote became more popular. It's natural that people in the US would want to hire someone in more similar timezone and culture than people on the other side of the world. There are great people everywhere, but in my view, it's been much harder to source good people from Latam than it is from Eastern Europe or South Asia.

It's a matter of time before smart folks in South Asia and Easter Europe move to Latin America to get higher salaries as they get into more US-friendly timezones.

That being said there's a lot of amazing developers in India that are open to working US-work hours for max collaboration

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