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Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by int_19h »

zionic wrote: post #76
AlbertCory wrote: post #24

NextDoor: home of the dumbest people on the Internet. They must be proud of that. There are occasionally things I want to see on there: a new Costco going in where the OSH Hardware used to be, or whatnot. So I got the daily email digest. One email per day -- tolerable. Then it stopped coming. I wrote to Support, and their guy swore it was still being sent! I said "no, it's not. I looked in Spam and Trash." He swore a…

This is because Nextdoor is “moderated” by your local neighborhood gestapo. Nextdoor, as an institution, actively seeks out people who pathologically engage with their platform and then gives them power over people geographically local to them. This results in moderation-cliques that decide what can and cannot be posted in their local neighborhoods. It somehow manages to be worse than this site when it comes to suppr…

I don't know how Nextdoor "seeks out people" to moderate, but what I can tell you is that my previous community lead was a guy who didn't post at all for like 2 years.

My new community lead is me, somehow, even though I didn't post for almost as long. 99% of my posts even now are basically, "hey, can you guys please read the rules before making yet another post about a suspicious black dude who's obviously up to no good cuz he's wearing a hoodie? kthx".

(I don't know if that constitutes the "neighborhood gestapo" in your book.)

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by smt88 »

throwawaylala1 wrote: post #104
smt88 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to have a neighborhood-based social network that's any different. Even before the internet, this is how HOAs and small town governments behaved.

You may be right, but... and maybe I'm being naive here... if HN can do it, why can't local social networks? The amount of people in the network is even smaller than HN. I suppose the problem is finding good moderators that keep to an ethical standard and that ethical standard is different everywhere. Well I think I answered my own question lol

> Well I think I answered my own question lol

I agree. HN is heavily moderated (using both automation and human intervention). The site pays for itself by being a honeypot for tech talent, which only Y Combinator companies can access.

Neighborhood social networks have no similar way to monetize themselves and pay for talented moderators.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by int_19h »

RajT88 wrote: post #79
juliennakache wrote: post #2

Probably the darkest UX pattern I've seen in a while... It's not spam per say so I'm not sure if this can be reported to the FTC, but it sure is a dirty move. Whoever designed is either evil or had was forced by an evil organization who would do anything to make their stock go up after a rough SPAC introduction. Does anyone know if this can be reported to a public agency?

Next-door is filled with dark patterns. Some, I actually admire. For example: Debates about national politics are against the TOS. Makes sense, they don't want a locally focused forum turning into the usual partisan cesspool. So when inevitably threads turn to national partisan politics, there seems to be some flag which is toggled. You might get notifications about replies to your posts, but click yields "This comme…

Anybody can flag a post or a comment on Nextdoor, and people do so quite a lot. Most of it is "this guy said something I don't like", but depending on the person reporting, they might be savvy enough to look up a rule that's actually violated by the post/comment they didn't like. Leads of neighborhoods where the post/comment showed up then get a notification to vote on whether to delete it or to keep it.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by ec109685 »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Key to making Nexdoor tolerable is setting your neighborhood radius as small as possible.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by vasco »

ec109685 wrote: post #114
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Key to making Nexdoor tolerable is setting your neighborhood radius as small as possible.

0 is my setting, at which point I don't need an account, but the service becomes extremely tolerable.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by uniqueuid »

adamredwoods wrote: post #110
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

At least they did not shoot her. And it's not NextDoor, it's only exposing a larger issue. https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/7/18528014/fear-social-med... >> The issue is compounded by the media, Ewoldsen says. >> “If you see more coverage of crime you think it’s more of an issue, even if real-world statistics say it isn’t,” Ewoldsen said. >> And all this is happening at a very contentious point in time, both politic…

Please note that the fear-instilling effect of media coverage is not backed by conclusive evidence.

George Gerbner's famous television studies suggested that heavy viewers of crime shows would become more fearful and over-estimate violent crime (hence the name "scary world theory"). But scientific support is mixed, it's not safe to assume that this effect exists.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

flukus wrote: post #100
matheusmoreira wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it with these corporations randomly running experiments on people anyway? It used to be that there was an opt in buried somewhere in the settings. Now they just assume we want to be their unpaid guinea pigs?

It's a consequence of having our software run on other peoples computers. 20 years ago it wasn't really an option because most software was installed and pushing updates was hard, but now everything can be updated without the user even knowing. IME there's a lot of people on HN that will even defend this sort of A/B testing. This is why I like debian, I never open an app to find out the entire UI is changed while I w…

If only it were that easy...

- Mandatory software updates can change UIs that run on """your""" machines.

- I still remember when I was running Debian Unstable, the day I ran a routine upgrade which replaced GNOME 2 with GNOME 3, I couldn't find my way around, and couldn't even easily revert because Linux distributions ship all their software in synchronized packages with interdependencies, and aren't built around picking and choosing older package versions (especially foundational packages).

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by NonNefarious »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Yeah, it's pathetic. Here's your standard NextDoor headline:

HOMELESS MAN LOOKED AT MY DOG AGGRESSIVELY

Then you have a bunch of insipid suck-ups piling on in the comments, with "Oh I'm so sorry this happened to you!" "So glad you're OK!"

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by NonNefarious »

AlbertCory wrote: post #24

NextDoor: home of the dumbest people on the Internet. They must be proud of that. There are occasionally things I want to see on there: a new Costco going in where the OSH Hardware used to be, or whatnot. So I got the daily email digest. One email per day -- tolerable. Then it stopped coming. I wrote to Support, and their guy swore it was still being sent! I said "no, it's not. I looked in Spam and Trash." He swore a…

NextDoor is an incompetent mailing list. They don't even understand how a digest is supposed to work. I mean... FREE software had this down in the '90s.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by archerx »

abawany wrote: post #99
Semaphor wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on the subreddit, the people are less of an issue than on HN.

Yes, I agree. I've run into some great subreddits and extremely helpful people there. Reddit imo is the best social media experience, almost like the old usenet, if the 'engagey' subreddits are removed from one's list.

To each their own I guess, to me reddit is a feces filled dumpster fire, even the smart/tech subs lack critical thought and are full of bad/wrong information that gets upvoted.
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