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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by nocoolnametom »

leesec wrote: post #103
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Unions are democratic, employee-run institutions which promote higher involvement of employees in the operations and logistical planning of companies. I'm not referring to Twitter becoming a Co-op, that would indeed be nearly unprecedented.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by JKCalhoun »

alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

So Howard Hughes?

I don't know that I ever found Musk likable though.

EDIT: I was thinking about my answer to "When did you stop liking Elon Musk?" and I suppose it was when he seemed to go on a tangent calling a rescuer a pedophile. That was a WTF moment for me.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by fundad »

Clent wrote: post #102

This company survives on public funding via NASA. This may be the biggest gift they could have given to their competitors. No one will care if their competitors have similar issues, SpaceX was sold as different and the illusion of that is fading.

Agreed and anyone standing up for worker power knows the employer will retaliate because the fee is insignificant.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

PaulHoule wrote: post #108
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

Some people get really mean when they get senile, particularly if they suffered from anxiety disorders or abused alcohol. It's why home care workers never wear necklaces because they could try to strangle you with one.

Given that Elon is Gen X I don't think this something we need to worry about for him just yet. Some other problem, sure, but I doubt it's senility.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by JKCalhoun »

yieldcrv wrote: post #99

Ouch given that there were some valid proposals But also valid if people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about, I’ve seen that trend and I’m totally find curb stomping that whole mentality. I can empathize with the lack of employee power in the US that could lead one to these outcomes, there are other ways (that may not be available to those employees or in the US at all) For Shotwell,…

> people felt pressures to join in on employee activism they don't care about

Is this a thing? Like feeling pressure to leave a tip or something?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by yieldcrv »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Do you feel that Elon will exclude some forms of protected speech? I haven't been following that closely

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by daenz »

>The letter asked SpaceX management to publicly separate the company from Mr. Musk’s personal brand, and to take steps to address what it said was a gap between SpaceX’s stated values and its current systems and company culture.

>“Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable,”

So it was a mass internal email chain, using company resources? And it sounds like they were asking Musk to be gone, with plausibly deniability. Is it honestly any surprise that they got fired? Hijacking internal systems for a publicity stunt like this will always put a target on your back.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by speedgoose »

leesec wrote: post #103
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

Why would companies be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Why would governments be democratic? That would be an extreme historical rarity

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by blocked_again »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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