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Apple Unveils M2
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Re: Apple Unveils M2
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think AMD's 200 billion market cap stands a chance against Apple's 2.3 trillion market cap? Consumers only stand to lose in the long run. Including Apple consumers.
As far as I know TSMC is building a new factory in Arizona right now, and one more in Taiwan. That was largely financed by Apple's money, and is a huge win for consumers who will benefit from the most advanced chip manufacturing capabilities for the years to come.
> financed by Apple's money
> huge win for consumers
doubt
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#114I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.
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Re: Apple Unveils M2
#115I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not.
And real function keys instead of a touchbar?
They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line.
I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touchbar and a 14" Pro (actually the same size device, just less bezel, I think?) with function keys?
And the new M2 Air has a magsafe power connector (like the M1 14" and 16" Pro)... but the new M2 13" Pro does not? Why?
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 18% faster at the same performance per watt is a nice increase. 18% faster at the same wattage , which means 18% higher perf/watt.
Have they confirmed anything about power?
From the presentation, taken from Anandtech's liveblog:
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17429/34312453.jpg
Same power budget.
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#117I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.
> selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead
That's Apple's marketing but the 12th Gen P chips are perfectly capable of keeping up with Apple on the performance side and AMD's likely to be able to compete on the power consumption side as well. Yes, x86 is likely to never match ARM on battery life, but I believe they can be reasonably close for it not to be an issue.
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
can anyone knowledgeable please oblige us with a comparison?
14" MBP gets the M1 Pro/Max, not the base-tier M1. The M1 Pro is a 6+2 configuration, so it will have a little bit of an edge in core configuration, but Apple claims 18% faster on this generation, which might cancel out that edge a little bit (I'm guessing slightly slower still, but close). The M1 Pro does have a 40% larger GPU, but the M2 is 35% faster (again, taking Apple at face value) so it should again be simila…
M1 Pro is either 6+2 or 8+2 depending on which model you select.
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#119I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.
Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.
too bad 2012 was a turmoiled period for microsoft, windows 8 for phone was a concrete seed for an unified development environment with an unified api.
a series of strategic and communication mistakes kinda wasted the shot, and when they finally fixed the desktop side of the experience was too little too late.
Re: Apple Unveils M2
#120I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.
Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.
Microsoft cares about their B2B products. While end users complain about Windows being a bloated mess, corporations still see no better alternative platform for deploying and managing a fleet of thousands (or tens of thousands) of machines.