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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by drKarl »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #63
tedunangst wrote: post #37

What is with those arrow keys? Who wants double wide half height up and down keys? 2 x 0.5 does not equal one full sized key. Am I really to believe that relabeling the win key to super is some sort of engineering feat?

And the power button sitting just above backspace. Point me to a dev who doesn't use backspace about as much as they do the return key ;-)

Well actually... I use vim keybindings everywhere including IntelliJ, and I don't use the backspace to delete as it's inefficient... I sometimes use the return key, but not that often either since I have more efficient ways to open a new line as well. I'm sure there's lots of devs like me...

That said, the location of the power button is unfortunate, I would expect it to be on the corner.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Beltalowda »

metadat wrote: post #33
messe wrote: post #7

16GB RAM? Is it upgradable or can it be configured higher? If not, why in god's name would you have 16GB RAM as a selling point? FHD at 14"? That's more than usable sure, but I'd prefer at least 2560x1440, preferably 2560x1600; A 16:9 aspect ratio is a pain in the ass. 4 years ago, these specs (if you can even call it that, we've been given almost no information) would have been decent. Now? This just seems desperate…

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I think the thing is that different people are commenting. People who say "needs more x, y, z" here are not the same who say "it's too heavy" or whatnot on some other thread.

Also, people who think this laptop is just fine (I don't need more than 16G of memory, and HD is fine for me too) have little to comment about, or the only comment they really have "hey, looks cool!"; which are kind of the unsubstantive comments HN discourages. So by and large, those people won't comment. But people who do have something they want to see better do have substantive things (or rants...) to post about the keyboard, screen, memory, or whatnot, so they will post them.

In short, you're 1) seeing a very biased view of what people think, and 2) HN is not a "hive mind" where everyone agrees.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by fuck_google »

gameswithgo wrote: post #90
tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

What workload do you do that 16GB isn't enough? Compiling large database backed .NET projects and Rust projects and AAA gaming all fit fine in 16GB

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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Shared404 »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #89
jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

Definitely. Imagine a world where perennially late to the market HP is chasing the trend of Linux on the laptop. We now live in that world. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31391880

Turns out the fabled year was 202X all along.

I'll admit, I'm delighted to see HP announce this, if only because it means System76 will (probably) get more funding for Pop_OS and that this may "legitimize" the Linux Desktop more with three major manufacturers carrying supported options.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Macha »

prescriptivist wrote: post #13

Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…

I use right shift more than left shift because most of my hotkeys use buttons on the left side of the keyboard and two handed combos are more comfortable than hand stretches.

Right Alt/Alt Gr is a different modifier than left alt, though I'd say 90% of my usage is AltGr+4 for the € sign.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

throwaway888abc wrote: post #39

Not sure if parody But whoa! trackpoint Here is the hires from landing page https://media.graphassets.com/resize=width:3300,height:2805,... Edit: Legit, © Copyright 2022 HP Development Company, L.P.

The keyboard is missing an Insert key.

But they're advertising an "FHD" screen as though that's a selling feature? That's only 1920x1080 - my Sony Vaio Z laptop from 2010 has the same resolution. People doing any kind of user-facing frontend dev-work pretty-much need a screen capable of 2x/200%/192dpi (i.e. 4K) at least.

...that's a deal-killer for me, as is the lack of a true middle-button on the touchpad.

I'll be sticking with my ThinkPad X1.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

kn100 wrote: post #82

The 16:9 screen is an immediate turn off for me. on a machine of this size that extra screen real estate you get with 16:10 or even 3:2 is important to me. Shame too, because this could be the perfect machine for me.

Not only is it 16:9, but it's only 1920x1080: no opportunity for 2x/4K which you need thesedays if you doing any kind of user-facing frontend work.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by neilv »

pzlarsson wrote: post #40

It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.

Good catch. The Trackpoint in the photo had piqued my interest. But Trackpoint has come with 3 buttons for about 20 years, and I'm pretty sure the middle button gets used heavily by many people.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by julianlam »

InfamousRece wrote: post #109
jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

I can definitely see myself using this machine. 16GB is enough for me as I don’t use electron. 8 core Ryzen is decent too.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need.

My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times.

A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by 7speter »

jackpot51 wrote: post #80
tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

It is upgradeable to 64GB.

Am i wrong to think that for 1000 dollars this laptop should come with 32gb of ram? Though its great that one can upgrade the memory.
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