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Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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People need tether to avoid going all the way off chain when they sell.

Genuinely curious: why do people need that?

Going off-chain means transferring actual money, which means large transactions get reported, which means authorities get wind of unpaid taxes.

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It's such a weird "bet", though. Pay $1, get back $1 if you win, get back $0 if you lose.

If you just sit in Tether sure, but the ecosystem of stablecoins gives you access to DeFi yield opportunities with much better "passive" interest than bank deposits or treasuries, so the bet is a little more sophisticated than dollar for dollar.

I’m confused. Banks and credit unions pay interest on savings because they can loan or invest that money with higher yields then the interest they pay to the customer/member.

How exactly do cryptocurrencies finance their DeFi yields to their investors? The only way I can think of is with the money of future investors, but that is a pretty blatant Ponzi scheme.

Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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What happens if Tether fails, realistically? There's a lot of doomsaying around it, but after seeing the crypto market shrug off the loss of Terra Luna without contagion or bailout ala GFC crisis, the fear may be overblown. Terra was backed entirely by hot air, whereas Tether is mostly backed. Wouldn't the net loss be similar or even less?

In real engineering, you try to figure out what might happen if your system fails. In ‘financial engineering’ you assume failure won’t happen, and get caught with your pants down when it does.

" A sound banker, alas, is not one who foresees danger and avoids it, but one who, when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional way along with his fellows, so that no one can really blame him." John Maynard Keynes

Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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Cryptocurrency has recreated the wild-cat banking crises of the late-1800s / early-1900s. Go read about the Knickerbocker Trust Company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knickerbocker_Trust_Company These events ultimately lead to the creation of the Federal Reserve for banks to participate in a semi-cooperative system that didn't devolve into save-yourself during times of crises. The story here is that "unless there is…

The big crypto exchanges are currently acting as a sort of unofficial federal reserve. None of the big players has an interest in seeing USDT collapse and will step in to bail it out at the first signs of trouble. I'm not saying that Tether the company is not shady. They should definitely be more transparent about what assets they are holding and their collateralization, but I think the risks of total collapse are la…

Totally agree that it’s “unofficial”, which makes it a when-not-if scenario.

At some point, total collapse of Tether’s pseudo-dollar will happen when the revenue generating exchanges feel they are support bad-money with good. All it takes is one player signaling a lack of support, and others stop supporting as well.

It’s a human psychological problem that’s a old as time. Think crypto can win over human rational to preserve self-interest? (side note: manipulation of self-interest is the goal of “weak hands” / “diamond hands”)

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It's remarkable that a stablecoin which was able to mostly maintain the peg for years at a time now needs to redefine what being pegged means, and that this state of affairs has continued for more than a week. That's why I mentioned it.

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> We take the 00:00Z price each day for 365 days and then average it

Take the average price at close of Lehman Brother's stock in 2008 and you get a positive number. That doesn't make it less broke.

> holds its price above a $0.98 average

When we say money market funds "broke the buck" in 2008, we are talking about one fund going to 97¢ [1]. Moving the goalpost to on average outperforming what counts as badly bust in real markets concedes a lost peg.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/money-mar...

Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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It's remarkable that a stablecoin which was able to mostly maintain the peg for years at a time now needs to redefine what being pegged means, and that this state of affairs has continued for more than a week. That's why I mentioned it.

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Thats breaking the peg though! Tether says its 1 to 1 with the pegged fiat currency. It doesn’t say its .98-1.01. There are pegs that do this sort of range based pegging but Tether is not claiming that.

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It's remarkable that a stablecoin which was able to mostly maintain the peg for years at a time now needs to redefine what being pegged means, and that this state of affairs has continued for more than a week. That's why I mentioned it.

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… At what odds?

Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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The large redemptions are what is causing them to be 0.1% off the peg...

Or is being 0.1% below peg causing large redemptions? People buying USDT at a discount and redeeming at face value.

Thats why breaking the peg is so bad. Its a visious cycle so both are correct.

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It's such a weird "bet", though. Pay $1, get back $1 if you win, get back $0 if you lose.

If you just sit in Tether sure, but the ecosystem of stablecoins gives you access to DeFi yield opportunities with much better "passive" interest than bank deposits or treasuries, so the bet is a little more sophisticated than dollar for dollar.

> sophisticated

aka obfuscated

does the yield come from anywhere other than funds deposited by new users?

Re: Tether Required Recapitalization in May 2022

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It's remarkable that a stablecoin which was able to mostly maintain the peg for years at a time now needs to redefine what being pegged means, and that this state of affairs has continued for more than a week. That's why I mentioned it.

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