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Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Welcome to Hacker News where everyone makes $500k/year and nobody pays for content. Or at least it feels that way sometimes. I don't make that much money but I also don't pay for content.

Nobody lets me pay for content. They're all tying themselves in contractual knots trying to find the most lucrative deal, and meanwhile it's impossible to just buy a movie or a TV show without shipping a physical disc. I go to e.g. the South Park website, and I'm greeted by an error message saying they're "working hard to resolve [their] pre-existing contractual obligations," which is the same message they've shown f…

Uh, you can actually buy south park from any number of providers. Amazon and iTunes both list Season 1 for $25. You don't need to only watch things on monthly streaming platforms.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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None of the streaming services allow you to watch purchased content at HD quality with Linux, and DRM is evil, so I don't use them. I don't really watch TV so it's not the end of the world for me, but they shouldn't be surprised at all that there's rampant piracy when you take the most high-skilled tech people and force them to pirate content to be able to watch it at all. It's ironic to me that we caved and let them put dangerous EME DRM crap (looking directly at you, W3C) in browsers and they still just locked out Linux users anyways. They've learned absolutely nothing from the DeCSS days, and the results are predictable: https://torrentfreak.com/google-takes-down-repositories-that...

RE the morality of it, as of right now, piracy is just a political act of resistance against this broken system to me. It's not about the cost, it's about not enabling this bad behavior to continue. I keep repeating the same thing over and over: as long as your eyeballs are made of flesh, the DRM protections will never stop piracy. Their only logical objective is violence: to throw my heroes in cages for doing things like legitimate security research, porting software to linux, etc.. and I don't want to support that (but again, I don't really watch TV so it's not much of a conundrum for me, but my condolences if "Is It Cake?" is something someone can't live without).

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody lets me pay for content. They're all tying themselves in contractual knots trying to find the most lucrative deal, and meanwhile it's impossible to just buy a movie or a TV show without shipping a physical disc. I go to e.g. the South Park website, and I'm greeted by an error message saying they're "working hard to resolve [their] pre-existing contractual obligations," which is the same message they've shown f…

When I see all the justifications I wonder who are they for? If you feel the need to justify it to semi-anonymous people on the internet, then you're probably trying to justify it to yourself which means you think what you're doing is wrong.

It's not a justification, just an explanation of what needs to change if people want me to pay for that content. Like I say I pretty much never pirate things if they're on steam, I've probably paid tens of thousands out to steam over the years.

(That being said, I do have access to cable television, netflix, and amazon prime streaming as well as the piracy setup, so people are getting paid. I'm not going to go buy a bunch of old red-dwarf and dilbert DVDs though, they just take up too much space)

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Here in Germany, it is almost impossible to pirate for free. If you download shows via BitTorrent you almost immediately get a fine ("Abmahnung"). There are some illegal streaming sites, but quality and reliability is poor in my experience.

But you can get a subscription to a VPN for about the same price as a Netflix subscription (~10€/month), that will allow you to torrent without worring about getting caught. Strangely, they manage to have an exit node in Frankfurt, and take credit card, although it is clear that they are frequently used for pirating. Alternatively, for a similar price you can get a premium "sharehoster" account, and then download all the shows using JDownloader.

I am firmly convinced that this is at least tolerated, if not even condoned by the film industry. The goal is to make pirating a bit inconvenient, and about as expensive as legal streaming. It is like a pressure valve. If it weren't for this "good enough" system, people would be motivated to build a P2P "Pirates' Netflix" (maybe with a friend-of-a-friend architecture, like RetroShare, where the lawers cannot get your IP). And that would really be a problem for the IP holders.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Welcome to Hacker News where everyone makes $500k/year and nobody pays for content. Or at least it feels that way sometimes. I don't make that much money but I also don't pay for content.

I buy all my stuff on iTunes. But that alone won't allow me to put a 4K HDR movie on a USB stick to watch it offline on my TV.

In my opinion, the most practical solution is to buy things (for the ethics) and then crack the DRM anyway (for usability).

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Piracy and data-hoarding are two different hobbies. One cost next to nothing, the cost of the other one you are quite familiar with.. Jokes aside, would you consider deleting your entire collection and then also cancel subscriptions and possibly give away or sell any tech equipment you do not use for work? And then find something else to do with the newly-freed time? Can you do it for 6 or 12 months? If not, why not?…

> Jokes aside, would you consider deleting your entire collection and then also cancel subscriptions and possibly give away or sell any tech equipment you do not use for work? And then find something else to do with the newly-freed time? Can you do it for 6 or 12 months? If not, why not? Try to figure out why you are doing it to begin with.

Anecdotally, I have a mild data hoarding hobby and no streaming subscriptions, and had my tech setup offline for about 6 months after moving to a new house. Spent most of the free time running ethernet, replacing dozens of recessed lights, replacing all the lights switches, assembling furniture, painting, picking up nails and rocks that reno guys left all over the lawn, and various other house things.

I bought a TV for black friday, wall-mounted it, and haven't even gotten around to plugging it in. (Or finding a piece of furniture from which to use it.) I'm looking forward to that; watching TV and playing video games is really more fun than patching drywall.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Frankly? Why bother pirating stuff if you're not even going to watch it. I don't know how many hours 30TB of content is, but I can tell you I can only really watch a few shows at a time and the occasional movie. This really breaks down to a TV sub, a couple streaming services and the occasional movie rental fee. Which feels extremely reasonable to me.

I do still occasionally pirate. Stuff that is free OTA, very old or just difficult to find. My piracy days are mostly behind me but sometimes it's handy.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#118
If I can buy a high quality digital file without DRM, built in ads, and other extra garbage, at a reasonable price, I happily pay for it. If I can't, I download it elsewhere. Music industry figured this out decades ago, I'm not sure why other media hasn't.

I used to be mostly happy with streaming services, I still have most of the big ones, but selection and quality is very hit or miss, I sometimes go over a month without using any of them. And "no ads" tiers have become a lie. Showing me a trailer for anything before the thing I chose to watch, even if it's for a show on the same service, is an ad. Stop it, you have a whole app/website to shove shit in my face, once I make a selection, leave me the fuck alone.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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post #60

All of this usually stem from lack of passion or goal in other areas of life. Once you find right goal you won't have time for all this. Speaking from personal experience

I wouldn't say that. I have a similar setup and just find it easier for my parents, friends, kids, ect. to just have everything they need available through 1 app in Plex.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#120
If you stop pirating you would still have 30TB of disk space. you might not need it but you would still have it. Anyway, it would be much easier to download stuff on demand than to hoard the entire movie archive on your disks

An idle computer (just disk IO) shouldn't cost 45$ a month in electricity unless your prices are much much higher then the average

you don't a 40$ subscription to pirate. just buy an invite to a couple of private trackers and you are done

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