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EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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I don't think this proposal is quite enough, we can do better to protect the children. The homes of the people who champion this proposal should be thoroughly searched for child abuse materials every week . Naturally, their personal electronic devices should be taken for analysis. I understand this may cause them some inconvenience, but think of the children!

Hi res cams in any room that record on super safe gov cloud day and night I would say.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Don't worry, as this is not about child sex abuse anyway. The legislators know, from experience, that it's hard to argue against measures to protect children from predators, and so they are free to launch controversial and unacceptable measures. Once in place, it will be extended to other purposes. The same as always.

> The same as always. Do you have a guess about who is behind that lasting global push against private communications?

I’d love to know, specifically

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

#114
The worst thing is that, while the EU proposes dubious stuff like this, the police doesn't actually try to remove such content from the internet or are at least really ineffective at doing so. There was a documentary[1] from the german public tv station NDR in which reporters / journalists managed to delete the majority of content from one such CSAM forum, by sending deletion requests to the hosters. The police just... did nothing about it? :/

It's mind boggling. It would be nice if only 50% of the energy put into laws with questionable results like this, would be used to give victims of sexual child abuse more help and support (or, in many cases, some at all) to continue living as much as possible despite the monsters in their own heads that such sexual abuse creates, wouldn't it? :/

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItLpwkQMUQ Sadly without official english subtitles, but you can run this article about it through deepl.com: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/panorama/kinderpornog...

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

#115
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, as this is not about child sex abuse anyway. The legislators know, from experience, that it's hard to argue against measures to protect children from predators, and so they are free to launch controversial and unacceptable measures. Once in place, it will be extended to other purposes. The same as always.

> The same as always. Do you have a guess about who is behind that lasting global push against private communications?

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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

#116

It's scary, because CSAM (child sexual abuse material) is very, very broad, and quite vague in its definition¹. My three year old son stayed with my parents for a week, and he was being taught to swim in their swimming pool. Of course, I get sent pictures and clips of his progress by a proud grandma, and of course, him being a toddler, he felt swimming trunks to be completely optional (and of course, they are at his…

I almost think these efforts will need to succeed in become applied in a way too authoritarian way before there's a sufficient backlash. Unfortunately that means there's likely to be a lot of collateral damage.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

#117

It's scary, because CSAM (child sexual abuse material) is very, very broad, and quite vague in its definition¹. My three year old son stayed with my parents for a week, and he was being taught to swim in their swimming pool. Of course, I get sent pictures and clips of his progress by a proud grandma, and of course, him being a toddler, he felt swimming trunks to be completely optional (and of course, they are at his…

My understanding of this technology was it was usually a hash or fingerprint of some form of the material, to be compared against a database of hashes of known-bad material. I doubt EU countries have the infrastructure or budget to run models across everything, no?

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

#118

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Let's not forget banning curtains. Only clean, transparent windows should be allowed.

Are you sure that's enough? Maybe homes should be built out of fully transparent materials. Don't want any internal rooms to hide in.

Not sure about that. You can't keep toddlers and children clothed all the time.

The basement seems like an adequate place for a wardrobe/diaper change, even though that makes the whole situation even weirder.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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You're probably not the first person to ask the question of "but what about parents taking pictures of their naked kids in a pool", I'm sure they plan on having some way of dealing with it if anything to lighten their workload. That doesn't mean it will be perfect but no matter how jaded we all are, nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people.

>nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people. Do you have a source for that? First, by triggering the filter, there's an assumption of guilt. The filter wouldn't trigger if there wasn't something bad there, right? Second, someone, somewhere is being incentivized in their job to increase the number of "detections" so they can increase their arrest numbers. Why would they want to "lighten their workload"? Th…

> Do you have a source for that?

It's a waste of time for everyone. Prisons are overcrowded, court cases take years to get going, criminals being caught red handed are released before cops even get the paperwork done, there's plenty of rock star defense lawyers.

> They're the cops. They just ask for more resources and get them.

Not in my part of Europe, on the contrary.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Unfortunately, here's what will really happen: 5:30am, loud knock at the door. You open the door a crack to see who it is. Cops bust in. You're immediately handcuffed and sat outside. Cops take anything with a screen, usb plug, etc. All your media. All your computers. All your external hard drives. Every one of these devices will be imaged, and archived prior to being searched. The data will be kept for years, to pro…

At this point, everything encrypted at rest will be a must.

Then encryption becomes evidence of guilt, unless you give up the key so they can search it to make sure you're not guilty.
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