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Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by msellout » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:25 PM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #102

yeahsure wrote: post #94

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Same here. When I was a kid I pictured myself living "the american dream" when I grew up, maybe move to the States when I became a successful entrepreneur (haven't made it yet!). A few years ago I visited the USA for the first time -and have a been there a few times since- and didn't like what I saw. I like Americans, and I like a lot of things about the US, but wouldn't live there at all. I think the problem was wha…

Could you expand on that last sentence, as an American I find it very interesting?

Many immigrants tell me that they came to the US because of all the wonderful movies they watched. TV probably plays a large role as well, now.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by kablamo » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:28 PM UTC

bluekite2000 wrote: post #98

colkassad wrote: post #71

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I married my wife overseas in 2007. In 2008 we applied for immigration at a US embassy (I sponsored her as my spouse), waited a couple of months, and received an appointment date. My wife was granted a visa at the appointment. I made a comment during the interview on how the process was so painless and the consulate basically said, "well, you guys are married". 3 years later, she is a US citizen. I think the fiancee…

Is this a personal experience that you are generalizing or it is actually faster to get a wife to the US vs a fiancee? Any link to actual law is appreciated.

My understanding also is that its way way way way better to get married overseas and then try to get into the US. Sorry, I don't have any links for you.

It will still probably take a few months to a year. Which is probably going to make it difficult to have a job lined up in advance.

In any case its better because it doesn't require you and your spouse to be separated.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by gnaritas » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:29 PM UTC

msellout wrote: post #111

gnaritas wrote: post #102

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Could you expand on that last sentence, as an American I find it very interesting?

Many immigrants tell me that they came to the US because of all the wonderful movies they watched. TV probably plays a large role as well, now.

You're just repeating the obvious part of what he said; I already know this, I'm interested in the details of what differed between what the movies told them vs their actual experiences.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by harichinnan » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:30 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #55

huhtenberg wrote: post #50

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It might be a substantial amount, but it is a legal way to live in the US. So your factoid while interesting is not exactly accurate. Also, to put the $50K in perspective - Canadian permanent resident visa has a requirement of showing $10K in available funds, and there is a metric ton of such visas getting granted every year. $50K is not far off.

So is marrying a citizen or getting an H-1. They are legal. Read my comment, I mean someone from any part of the world, just getting enough money for a plane ticket, getting on a plane or boat, landing in NY and eventually becoming a citizen of US. No need to marry anyone, getting any company to sponsor you, no "gifted" abilities, no need for $50K, no need to have been raped and mutilated by militias and so on. That…

Just one condition. H1B's would be given out only in areas where there's a skill shortage in US. IT jobs are always on the list and that's why H1B's are easily given out for IT. However for other industries, say agriculture, or most factory work, it's impossible to take the H1B route.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by gnaritas » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:31 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #107

gnaritas wrote: post #103

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In other word, as usual, there are special privileges for the rich; go figure.

I would prefer to read that as privileges for those who create jobs. It's not enough to be rich.

Every investor fancies himself a job creator.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by colkassad » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:31 PM UTC

bluekite2000 wrote: post #98

colkassad wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I married my wife overseas in 2007. In 2008 we applied for immigration at a US embassy (I sponsored her as my spouse), waited a couple of months, and received an appointment date. My wife was granted a visa at the appointment. I made a comment during the interview on how the process was so painless and the consulate basically said, "well, you guys are married". 3 years later, she is a US citizen. I think the fiancee…

Is this a personal experience that you are generalizing or it is actually faster to get a wife to the US vs a fiancee? Any link to actual law is appreciated.

I admit that this is personal experience. However, a quick google of "fiancee visa vs spousal visa" seems to back me up.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by yeahsure » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:32 PM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #102

yeahsure wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. When I was a kid I pictured myself living "the american dream" when I grew up, maybe move to the States when I became a successful entrepreneur (haven't made it yet!). A few years ago I visited the USA for the first time -and have a been there a few times since- and didn't like what I saw. I like Americans, and I like a lot of things about the US, but wouldn't live there at all. I think the problem was wha…

Could you expand on that last sentence, as an American I find it very interesting?

I've always been a movie buff, and so as a kid I had some miss-conceptions and naive beliefs about the US. Some random ones I can think of now (a bit busy ATM):

- Cops are nice and they are out there to help people.

- There are no criminals in US neighborhoods. It is ok to even leave your car unlocked.

- There's no unemployment in the US (or it's minimal). If you go to college you automatically get a nice paying job. Only college students or lazy ones work at fast food joints.

- Health care is widely available and easy to get by.

The first day I got to the US I was detained at the airport (in TX) because I mentioned to the immigration officer that I (had) worked at immigration in my home country. He freaked out for some reason and I was taken to a tiny room with some people where I was questioned about my "real" reasons to go to the US, I always replied the same (the truth) and they kept pushing like I was lying. This went on for an hour until I was release and allowed to board on the plane to make the connection. Obviously had to take another flight since the original plane had left.

Then that same day I went to a coffee shop with a friend in a quite nice area of Phx, AZ. While we were inside, someone stole the spare wheel from his Jeep. He then told me they had a car stolen a few months before.

I saw several homeless roaming the streets. Which I had always pictured (as a child) only happened in NYC or something, and only because they didn't want to work or had some issues in their personal life.

While talking about living in the US with some friends there, they explained how health care works in the US. Basic health care is free in my home country and higher end procedures are fairly affordable, so I was shocked to learn about the US system. I don't believe much in socialism, but I can't think of a good reason for people in a civilized society to not be healed for free (retirement is a different issue though).

Can't type much more now. Hope this helps!

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by pandaman » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:36 PM UTC

Immigration lawyers love to to offer asylum because these cases can go for decades and anyone can "participate". It also looks attractive to the prospective immigrant when an alternative would be to go through EB or investment immigration. However, if you are deciding to seek asylum on a lawyer advice you are most likely not qualified. Real refugees don't become refugees voluntarily. They also don't have lawyers. Yes, it's much easier to claim asylum than go through non-fraudulent immigration. However the consequences of an asylum case falling through are also much harsher.

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by krookoo » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:37 PM UTC

huhtenberg wrote: post #85

rdtsc wrote: post #55

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So is marrying a citizen or getting an H-1. They are legal. Read my comment, I mean someone from any part of the world, just getting enough money for a plane ticket, getting on a plane or boat, landing in NY and eventually becoming a citizen of US. No need to marry anyone, getting any company to sponsor you, no "gifted" abilities, no need for $50K, no need to have been raped and mutilated by militias and so on. That…

Ok, got it. In that case, and with a possible exception of EU zone, there are no countries that allow doing what you described. For example, being a citizen of Canada I can travel almost everywhere w/o visas, but I cannot just fly to Italy or Mongolia or Japan and get settled to live and work. Nor would I be able to get a work-enabling visa easily. In other words the USA is not an exception, there is nothing unique a…

What happens in the EU zone?

Re: Immigrant entrepreneur arrested to meet quotas

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Post by angersock » Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 3:40 PM UTC

ecopoesis wrote: post #82

shiven wrote: post #57

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ecopoesis, there are laws and then there is the interpretation of those laws, right? you don't have to be lawyer to see that and i am not one. because there exists a law does not mean it is automatically just and 'right'. laws get changed all the time and examples as this are a good reason to re-evaluate their 'correctness' and discuss in a broader social context the changes that are required.

It really doesn't matter if the law is right, what matters is the fairness in enforcement. In this case, he could followed the law, waited his turn and come to the US. Instead, he came to the US on an exchange visa, then stayed illegally when it expired. He claimed asylum, but after investigation, the INS/ICE found that he wasn't being persecuted. The US has even told him what he needed to do to become legal, he chos…

Much as I appreciate rules fetishism, this is the sort of view that screws up my country.

Look, elsewhere we've seen the wide variety of visas aimed at the "rich", "investors", and "job creators". So, clearly, enforcement isn't uniform across people who are immigrants.

Moreover, in your presumably simple moral system, any law regardless of how unfair in specification is fine so long as the implementation is uniform.

(note here I'm interpreting "fairness in enforcement" to mean uniform, as if we actually take into account "fairness" in the conventional sense your own statement is reduced to uselessness... and I'd rather not believe HN is frequented by the sort of drooling pedantic imbecile that would be necessary to make such a claim)

This being the case, you apparently would have no issue with a law that requires police officers to beat twelve citizens every day, provided they aren't biased in their selection?