NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers

Post by codefreeordie » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

lettergram wrote: post #33

ldayley wrote: post #4

With California and New York both exploring statewide single payer healthcare it looks like the Overton window is moving closer to legitimate discussion of a nationwide single payer plan in the US. It’ll be interesting to watch, since this is such a hot-button topic here on many levels.

Why would you want it nation wide? Even if you “support it”, I’d much rather watch the implications from the various experiments across states. Then we can select the best option. Personally, I’d like to see some states ban healthcare outright. Others have full coverage and everything in between. Then wait 10 years and we can see the results. I strongly suspect there would be states willing to do this.

Post by standardUser » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

goatcode wrote: post #46

Coming from a country that has this, there should be caution: it gets more affordable, but you get what you pay for. In my country of origin, you get a partially-paid-for ride to the emergency room, where you pay for things like casts, non-ward rooms, dental care out of pocket. There is no prescription coverage. There is no optometry coverage. I would wait significant chunks of a year for procedures and diagnostics.…

Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:25 PM UTC

beebmam wrote: post #96

aserdf wrote: post #30

it will be interesting to watch NY (and/or CA) put something like this in place and observe from afar. i strongly feel that states should be much more aggressive running policy experiments if their constituents desire them, and at the national level we all get some benefit of seeing how things turn out in real time. all that said, assuming there is some tangible tax increase, NYC high earners are going to be knocking…

That's 60% marginal rates. Last year I paid 17% of my total income in taxes.

Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:25 PM UTC

ldayley wrote: post #4

With California and New York both exploring statewide single payer healthcare it looks like the Overton window is moving closer to legitimate discussion of a nationwide single payer plan in the US. It’ll be interesting to watch, since this is such a hot-button topic here on many levels.

Post by mupuff1234 » Mon, May 09, 2022, 9:25 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #93

outside1234 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that this expense is also reducing the cost of employers. One of the best ways to finance this would be a payroll tax that is basically equal (in aggregate) to the insurance the company is (usually) already paying.

Big employers like having health insurance tied to employment. It makes changing jobs a riskier maneuver for employees as they do not know the quality of the other jobs' insurance coverage, and it creates higher overhead costs for smaller employers so it provides a competitive advantage there too.