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Go Ahead, Sell My Data

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Re: Go Ahead, Sell My Data

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Post by nl »

gujk wrote: post #107
nl wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a very important distinction between the Nazi Germany example and Facebook selling your data. In the Nazi Germany example, it was a government entity that was using the information. In that case no amount of privacy controls will protect you - if the information is available they can use the law to retrieve it. Even if Jews didn't have their religion listed on their passport, a government can retrieve that i…

Why are you downplaying "minimizes friction"? Friction is the only shield we have ever had to protect against invasion of privacy.

Friction is the only shield we have ever had to protect against invasion of privacy.

YES!!

Far from downplaying it, I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that! It's a really important point - many "privacy invasions" are things that were possible before, but inconvenient.

The truth is, though, that complaining about it is roughly as useful as the RIAA suing Napster. The internet reduces friction, and aren't privacy controls just another form of censorship that the internet will route around?

Re: Go Ahead, Sell My Data

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Post by scrollbar »

rwolf wrote: post #36
scrollbar wrote: post #15

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The better way to frame the choice is 1) less intrusive data collection or 2) ads relevant to what you might actually be interested in. Some people don't like simple remarketing, but I do. It's not so bad that Bonobos reminds me to buy pants from them every once and awhile... I like their pants ;) And I'm not sure of the brand effect display ads have had on me but I know I'd rather see something relevant to business,…

You happen to like when ads are targeted at you. Do you think everyone likes these ads, and the ones who are complaining are just whining without really thinking about what great pants they could be buying? Do you think some other people may not like these ads? Is it odd that those people would try to pressure companies into not showing these ads? Do you think one side of the other is in the majority here? Can either…

I didn't presuppose any of that. I was only pointing out that you framed the question as: "Do I want a good thing, or a bad thing?" - obviously you want the good thing

When in reality the question is: "Do I want a thing with good and bad attributes, or another thing with good and bad attributes?" - this reflects the reality of the situation

Re: Go Ahead, Sell My Data

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Post by drcube »

nl wrote: post #99
drcube wrote: post #54

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And don't forget, due to the PATRIOT act, simply having that information obligates facebook to serve it up to law enforcement without a warrant any time they ask. Think about that next time you "like" the High Times fan page or post "I'm gonna get crunk!" some Friday night. Facebook itself may be pure as the driven snow, but I can guarantee the FBI is NOT.

And don't forget, due to the PATRIOT act, simply having that information obligates facebook to serve it up to law enforcement without a warrant any time they ask. Citation needed (Especially for the obligates part). If Google requires a warrant to share data then please explain why Facebook is obligated to do differently?

"A National Security Letter (NSL) is a form of administrative subpoena used by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation and reportedly by other U.S. Government Agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense. They require no probable cause or judicial oversight. An NSL is a demand letter issued to a particular entity or organization to turn over various record and data pertaining to individuals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter

Also: "Note: According to facebook’s privacy policy, messages on facebook can not be deleted anymore. If you click on ‘delete’ the messages will only be invisible to you. US law enforcement agencies can access this information at their own liking, without judicial review."

http://europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html#Mes...

Re: Go Ahead, Sell My Data

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Post by gujk »

nl wrote: post #111
gujk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you downplaying "minimizes friction"? Friction is the only shield we have ever had to protect against invasion of privacy.

Friction is the only shield we have ever had to protect against invasion of privacy. YES!! Far from downplaying it, I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that! It's a really important point - many "privacy invasions" are things that were possible before, but inconvenient. The truth is, though, that complaining about it is roughly as useful as the RIAA suing Napster. The internet reduces friction, and aren't priv…

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