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Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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I remember about 20 years ago there was a (IIRC) Java Applet-based multiplayer clone of Zelda: A Link to the Past that was sort of a forerunner the to MMORPGs we see today. It changed names to Graal Online because of the lawyers. Thinking back to it, it was really ahead of its time, not only because it was massively multiplayer, but it had a great level editor and was doing user-created content in the late '90s. --ed…

>Here's a nice writeup: link OP of the writeup: "Goatse" Ah that takes me back.

I still load the homepage every now and then. I'll open one article, look at the comments, and close the tab.

I guess it's like looking up your ex every now and then. You insensitive clod.

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

UO is actually roughly the same generation as Graal. There were several of these fairly creative stabs at the problem before WoW came along and really defined what a MMO is. I think in many way Neverwinter Nights' persistent worlds is another noteworthy entry. They weren't massively multiplayer, but I think more like a cross between Baldur's Gate and a MUD.

> WoW came along and really defined what a MMO is. I wouldn't call WoW the first that defined it, or even the first wildly successful one that did. I never played any of them, but EverQuest was huge back in the day. If we are willing to lower the bar of success, there's predecessors to EverQuest as well. Then again, maybe there's something very different than WoW and EverQuest that I'm not aware of? They seemed prett…

> I wouldn't call WoW the first that defined it, or even the first wildly successful one that did

> Then again, maybe there's something very different than WoW and EverQuest that I'm not aware of?

Agreed that WoW did not define what an MMO was, a lot of the perception has to do with timing. More people had access to a decent computer and reliable internet when WoW came out than in the mid-late 90's. I think of BBS door games and MUDs I played as a teenager as what defined MMOs (personally, not generally). To me those were huge, playing games with random people I would never meet at a time when the other options were 1.) passing a controller around or 2.) literally carrying computer equipment to random LAN parties.

But it was UO that made the big commercial splash, the marketing was on point. It was this new thing called a Massively Multiplayer Online RPG. This new world where you could be someone else. A place you could just log in to go fishing, or save up to buy a boat to find better places to fish, hunt and mine ore. And placing your first home, which was probably the smallest most useless building in the game, was yours. Your little safe haven in this new crazy virtual wild west that didn't stop evolving just because you had to go do homework. I was obsessed with MMO's after that, and obsessed with being one of the first to play. Luckily I ended up in one of the first areas to offer cable internet in the late 90's as these MMO's were doing beta test sign ups - having cable internet usually got you in early.

EverQuest was the game changer (for the more mainstream gamers, Meridian 59 was the first 3D MMO and it came out before UO). I remember the first day in EQ, standing outside in the noob area and the chat was full of people in complete awe. There was nothing even close. I ran around with a couple other people trying to see as many locations we could get to without dying and not even trying to level.

Shortly after EQ, was AC - Asheron's Call, which gave us the beautiful 3D world without the annoying (loading)zones of EQ and others, freedom atleast. I probably played AC the most while mixing in others I had missed or got beta invites. When WoW came out I refused to play it (still haven't), I was a big fan of Warcraft. I thought what they did to it was sacrilege and viewed it as the place for the new gamer-generation to pick up their participation trophy cause they couldn't handle the grind of a real MMO. They should suffer as I suffered.

As for MMO's that I found different, EVE for sure.

Project Entropia - was/is? the only one I know of that used real money for the in-game economy. You could literally play for free and make money from selling stuff from hunting, crafting, mining. I had about $200 I never cashed out (earned, not deposited) and I think my account got purged from not logging in for 2+ years at one point, or so an old email said would happen.

World War II Online - this game was def for people who would do cosplay US Civil war reenactments, but for WWII. Was a little much for me, but it was the foundation of my love of Battlefield games.

A Tale in the Desert - this one was fun when I played, I loved the concept. Its played in 1+ year long episodes where society has to pass test and challenges and work together or not. If you like crafting with a large side of real social politics that will determine if this years episode is "won", this is the game for you.

Hattrick Football Manager - browser MMO that is unlike any browser game I have played since (I played in the early aughts), if you like manager type games it was addicting. So much so I am right now trying to not make a new team and get sucked down that rabbit-hole again: https://www.hattrick.org/en-us/

Mortal Online - this was the last one I was actively engaged with, as I was trying to re-live the first days of UO, I went back to UO many times and nothing else ever felt the same. MO was trying to re-live it as well. No levels, huge crafting, hunting, exploring taking over cities. You could collect other people heads as trophies. It was ambitious and promising during beta - then completely unplayable after launch. MO2 came out recently, not sure how it is.

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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Considering how DMCA-happy Nintendo is I'm surprised this is till up.

I was the main developer and webmaster of Zelda Classic for several years in the mid-2000s. Nintendo knew about us because disgruntled users reported us in retaliation for forum drama, but they never came after us. Probably because we were never prominent enough for them you care, but we liked to imagine we were protected by someone high up at Nintendo.

Have you made your way to the ZC developer discord yet? By the way, clearly I'm a fan of your work, thanks for helping make ZC!

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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I remember about 20 years ago there was a (IIRC) Java Applet-based multiplayer clone of Zelda: A Link to the Past that was sort of a forerunner the to MMORPGs we see today. It changed names to Graal Online because of the lawyers. Thinking back to it, it was really ahead of its time, not only because it was massively multiplayer, but it had a great level editor and was doing user-created content in the late '90s. --ed…

I was a high schooler developing a web-based multiplayer RPG game around this time and remember being so impressed and intimidated by Graal.

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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Oh this is super exciting! I used to be on the dev team for ZC as Joe123 back when I was a teenager, I mostly worked on the scripting language. I left the community about 10 years ago and I haven't seen anything about it since then. It'll be great to have a play on this sometime

Hey joe. I was DarkDragon. CS professor now.

Oh hey! I finished up my PhD in particle physics recently, just taking a break now. Nice to see that 2.5 finally came out, we were working on betas after 2.1 the whole time I was around

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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I remember about 20 years ago there was a (IIRC) Java Applet-based multiplayer clone of Zelda: A Link to the Past that was sort of a forerunner the to MMORPGs we see today. It changed names to Graal Online because of the lawyers. Thinking back to it, it was really ahead of its time, not only because it was massively multiplayer, but it had a great level editor and was doing user-created content in the late '90s. --ed…

Oh hey I worked on this! Mostly Graal2K and a bit of Kingdoms, I used to go by "GodSpeed" and had a sparring area :)

Stefan Knorr inspired me to get into development and is a legend in my mind, I recall staying up at 4am walking around in early builds of Graal2K with him and seeing the infancy of "GANIs" (Graal Animations). Unixmad on the other hand...

If anyone knows what happened to Birdbird let me know, he was the most naturally talented level designer ever!

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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I remember about 20 years ago there was a (IIRC) Java Applet-based multiplayer clone of Zelda: A Link to the Past that was sort of a forerunner the to MMORPGs we see today. It changed names to Graal Online because of the lawyers. Thinking back to it, it was really ahead of its time, not only because it was massively multiplayer, but it had a great level editor and was doing user-created content in the late '90s. --ed…

Wow lots of people here who played Graal. I spent 10 years of my life on that game and I can credit it with giving me my start in development. Learning to script for the game became my first step towards programming in general. In fact, developing new content for the game became the fun itself. Codein here btw (ignore the icky nickname - is what it is).

Godspeed here, I worked on G2K/Kingdoms :D

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m Chris Wright, mentioned in the 2nd link. I had the original idea, as the article says I commissioned Stefan to write it for me as I had next to no coding skills back then (apart from HTML and PHP). I ran a fairly successful SNES emulation site (I knew the teams behind Snes9x and Zsnes well) and was looking for a gimmick to boost traffic. Stefan took things off in his own direction with the Graal makeover (we neve…

Hey man. Graal was an intimate part of my life growing up. I had thousands of hours logged on Valikorlia and a few hundred on other playerworlds. It was a good idea. It's where I first started programming; graalscript was my first language. It's sad to see it go. I really wish we could have a game experience that had the community graal did. There's not much with that level of involvement for players anymore; it's al…

If you remember Konidias he's been working on a game in a similar art style named Cloudscape, details can be found on Steam!

Re: Porting Zelda Classic to the web

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It reminds me: a decade ago, I had the idea of porting Baldur's Gate 2 to the web: http://lumakey.net/labs/battleground/demo1/ I initially played with EMSCRIPTEN as well, starting from GemRB, an open-source reimplementation of the engine. But that was boring, as I wasn't really getting any sense of how things were working under the hood. So I started reverse-engineering the various file formats (a website called IESD…

Baldur's Gate 2 (demo) in WebAssembly. You're welcome! https://personal-1094.web.app/gemrb.html

Amazing! did you make this? any more details anywhere? what is the license?
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