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That's nice but it's not milk so ... apples to oranges. I'm not being unreasonable here, some people just won't give up real meat or milk, ever.
I'm not vegan but my teenage daughter is, and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it's been to remove most dairy from my diet. I was extremely skeptical when it came to things like ice cream, but Ben and Jerry's has non-dairy versions of a bunch of their best flavors, and I now actually prefer them. When it comes to liquid milk alternatives, IMHO Califia original unsweetened almond milk is the tastiest option, but…
I've always been a huge ice-cream fan so the fact that it's been retooled in a more addictive form is very concerning.
I'm curious the long-term side effects on the body. I'm not sure it's better, we're something like 10,000 years into developing the ability to drink milk. I'm not sure we know what the effects of high soy intake is (only 10-15 years into mass consumer adoption -- we do see massive drops in sex hormones; possibly related, it is correlated). Also, I really dislike how these studies are conducted. They often don't accou…
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1...
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cow milk is an incredible nutrient rich food with associated health benefits for children. I haven't seen that milk alternatives have those benefits.
Cow's milk is typically fortified to include additional nutrients. You're getting roughly the equivalent of that in fortified soy milk, except for maybe less fat and cholesterol. Most children would do just fine with soy milk as an alternative.
It may be related to IGF-1 or some other nutrients instead.
And yet coffee shops that claim to be organic, eco conscious and fair trade still penalize you for opting for a milk alternative (by charging extra, like up to $1).
Not really super surprising— the volumes are way lower and there's less subsidizing going on. On a grocery store shelf here in Ontario, you can get 4L of 2% regular milk for $5. But the Earth's Own products, which include oat and soy milk? Those are more like $6 for a single litre .
Here we buy litres or half, and we adore milk, mostly 3.5%. The non-diary alternatives are not even allowed to be called milk (they are now drinks).
Milk alternatives don't have any benefits in children. Milk drinking in children is thought to induce growth. You can't overdo it though as it interferes with iron absorption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63647-8 see the references height difference found: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638 may be related to IGF-1: https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948
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Cow's milk is typically fortified to include additional nutrients. You're getting roughly the equivalent of that in fortified soy milk, except for maybe less fat and cholesterol. Most children would do just fine with soy milk as an alternative.
I'm not sure how you can make statements like that without any evidence. It may be related to IGF-1 or some other nutrients instead. https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638
> The height difference for a child aged 3 y consuming 3 cups noncow milk/d relative to 3 cups cow milk/d was 1.5 cm (95% CI: 0.8, 2.0 cm).
We're talking about 1.5cm here. I guess if you're training your kid to be an olympic athlete then stick to cow's milk, but they'll be fine in the general sense with an similarly nutritious alternative. Lactose-intolerant kids aren't horrifically short or malnourished.
There's a general fear that cow's milk is some sort of necessity (as instilled by the dairy lobby), but it's not. The outcomes are negligible given an otherwise normal diet.
I'm curious the long-term side effects on the body. I'm not sure it's better, we're something like 10,000 years into developing the ability to drink milk. I'm not sure we know what the effects of high soy intake is (only 10-15 years into mass consumer adoption -- we do see massive drops in sex hormones; possibly related, it is correlated). Also, I really dislike how these studies are conducted. They often don't accou…
You realize a good portion of the human population is (and has always been) lactose intolerant to some degree right? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1...
Yes, I said "developing" for a reason. It's mostly northern Europeans with the ability.
And yet coffee shops that claim to be organic, eco conscious and fair trade still penalize you for opting for a milk alternative (by charging extra, like up to $1).
they'd roughly cost the same if not for dairy subsidies
The amount of oat you have to feed a cow to get a single litre is not even close to the literal handful you need for an oat-based milk - let alone the time and how of work that went into caring for the cows, handling the mess, etc.
It should not even be close. We simply industrialized the whole diary thing, and consider it essential.
And I say this as someone who cannot live without cheese. It should just be way more expensive and reflect the cost it has on the environment/society.
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I'm not sure how you can make statements like that without any evidence. It may be related to IGF-1 or some other nutrients instead. https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638
I was responding to a post that also did not show evidence. > The height difference for a child aged 3 y consuming 3 cups noncow milk/d relative to 3 cups cow milk/d was 1.5 cm (95% CI: 0.8, 2.0 cm). We're talking about 1.5cm here. I guess if you're training your kid to be an olympic athlete then stick to cow's milk, but they'll be fine in the general sense with an similarly nutritious alternative. Lactose-intolerant…