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It is astounding to see that people don't revolt. Just get to the streets and kill everyone in uniform from whatever service they are, burn police stations and resume normal life. What will authorities do? Send the army into a 20M city?

> and resume normal life

Others would call this idea "«astounding»".

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One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…

> They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship China has also taken 1 billion people out of poverty in just 3 decades. > For all its failures, democracy at least has taught us to incorporate the human imperfection into the process and the decisions. Since we’re talking counter evidence: - Singapore is a benevolent dictatorship - Japan’s schooling system prepares its citizen…

> It’s not entirely attributable to democracy. In fact, many are arguing to remove the electoral college. A popular vote would be more Democratic in the Ancient Greek sense no? But our founder fathers designed America against that, to prevent tyranny of the masses.

That's at least a gross oversimplification. One of the primary reasons for the electoral college was that it allowed the compromise with southern states that they could count slaves as population (well half actually), without letting them vote. There was also the difficulty of the voting process during those times. I'm not aware of documents actually stating that the electoral system was about preventing the "tyranny of the masses".

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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Is xi Jinping’s grip on power really that strong? Is there no chance the CCP can vote to remove him and change course? I doubt all of them feel great about returning to a new Mao-like era when the more economically free system was clearly pleasant enough.

The congress in October is precisely why the covid 0 policy is maintained, so he won't be blamed for a large outbreak.

You have just answered, with the most cynical note, possibly eye-opening, to a question that many have raised, including people of refined intellect. Maybe they were missing the notion of the appointment on the calendar, maybe they did not associate the two (or did not instinctively believe they could be associated - but when you add the "mitigating factors", the decision gains an aspect of "rational", or of /rationalized/).

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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post #81
post #28

One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…

> I am curious when China will adjust their model/plan for COVID to consider the vast amount of counter-evidence that is accumulating. Probably it will take at least one year and a half - two years, at least that's how long it took the Western authorities to somehow change their discourse. Some people around the Western parts of the world still believe in mask mandates, to say nothing of the vaccine mandates if you w…

The UK has chosen about 400 deaths a day instead as a level that the media are comfortable with.

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

#116
post #28

One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…

> If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

Federalist No. 51, James Madison

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post #39

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Reminds me a little of You should migrate any data encrypted by TrueCrypt to encrypted disks or virtual disk images supported on your platform. [0] [0] http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net

How so? Do you think that message was coerced?

No. The common theory is that TrueCrypt was compromised by a three letter agency and the creator was not content to let people use compromised encryption. So he ended the product and could plausibly tell everyone that the software was no longer secure, since it wasn't receiving updates.

We now know that the FBI/CIA/etc have broad authority to do things like:

* Install back doors into any software present in America.

* Summarily search and collect any data on any US server.

* Prevent the vendors speaking about any of it.

This case is a little murkier because TrueCrypt was open source. The common retort is: "clearly anyone would see if it were compromised." Unfortunately there aren't a lot of people in the world capable of understanding the maths involved in complicated encryption algorithms. Especially not as they relate to novel implementations TrueCrypt was using, like the lauded hidden OS feature. It is equally likely that some agency were able to break the encryption using some kind of exploit, and compelled TrueCrypt to never change their algorithm. Or perhaps the download websites were being actively monitored for downloads, and those IPs were being heavily scrutinised and cross-referenced.

It's also possibly none of these. I found an old Reddit thread with some interesting details (link dead): https://www.reddit.com/r/techsnap/comments/4cgked/paul_le_ro...

One could write an exciting mini-series over this.

The successor is generally considered VeraCrypt, though it is not clear how secure it is: https://www.veracrypt.fr/code/VeraCrypt/

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> At this time the public opinion control system warning was triggered, and manual intervention began. ... manual intervention could not keep up with the speed of retweeting and posting. All available staff were called up to support the suppression effort. How does the authors know all this? This sounds like super detailed insider information.

> All available staff were called up to support the suppression effort.

  The orders already issuing from the telescreen, recalling them to their posts, were hardly necessary. Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books, pamphlets, films, sound−tracks, photographs all had to be rectified at lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in existence anywhere. The work was overwhelming, all the more so because the processes that it involved could not be called by their true names. Everyone in the Records Department worked eighteen hours in the twenty−four, with two three−hour snatches of sleep.

  - excerpt from 1984
https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021h.html#ch17

Re: Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

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At least the current evidences (excluding Shanghai) has shown that the virus can be contained. Yes, there are cases, but cities have managed to contain it and people are normally back to normal after two weeks semi-lockdown. Of course, with Shanghai keeps having new cases, things may change. The government is pushing for old people to get vaccination. Old generation in China are not getting vaccinations because they…

Yes if you ignore all the times when it doesn't work, then lockdown works. It's an irrelevant tautology with no intellectual or scientific merit. There is no Shanghai exception for lockdown as a scientific policy, just like there is no Swedish exception. To decide if a policy advertised as based on universal biology is working you need to evaluate all the evidence, and cases where it doesn't work either disprove the…

Agree and disagree. Lockdown can work until it does not work. Science can evaluate the speed of spread, does not dictate what's happening. My city had a short lockdown a few month ago, Shenzhen and Guangzhou just finished lockdown. It is fair to say 9/10 worked. It is more difficult to contain Omicron, science can say that. Also virus won't spread when no one is moving, science can also say that. It is just a trade off in the end.
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