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What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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I think this article starts to touch on a topic area I don't hear much about but am extremely frustrated by: how modern work for a lot of jobs has become de facto indentured servitude. In the "When They Know They've Got You" section, they mention the real challenges of not being able to obtain a lawyer if things truly aren't fair. The average worker can't afford anything without taking on debt. Insurance is a scam in…

alexfromapex says >"...Healthcare, extremely high rent, and things like property tax where failure to pay sends you to prison are used as the means of coercion. If the United States continues on the current political course..."

AFAIK you cannot be sent to prison for not paying property taxes in the USA.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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This was a great read. I think the true value of money is one of HN's biggest bubbles: the average person on here (but not all of us!) jumped right from their undergraduate career to making a six-figure salary in a city with lavish public amenities (by American standards). It's very easy to forget that the average American salary is less than half of that, and even that hides the number of people living well below th…

This is a public website, there's no security check for "Is american, went to Stanford and lives in SF pulling 100k/yr". I know plenty of software developers that frequent this site and make around 20-30k a year in Europe.

to be fair a 30k job in Warsaw or Prague gets you a living standard you get for 100k in SF so that perception has always been skewed. When I for the first time saw what people in SF and America more broadly pay on rent, education, childcare and transport I had a culture shock

The average rent for one bedroom apartment is 2.5k in SF, even in Berlin you're maybe paying 800 bucks.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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>how modern work for a lot of jobs has become de facto indentured servitude...The average worker can't afford anything without taking on debt. For people from other countries wondering about the veracity of these claims, let's take an example: The typical shitty job everyone on here complains about is working at an amazon warehouse. This is a job people with no skills take on. They pay 15 USD an hour. In other curren…

Cynically untrue. Amazon is not even close to bottom of the barrel. And it's clear you haven't paid market rent in a major city since you bought that starter home back in the 90s - 42k is a joke when your rent is close to $2500 and you get no benefits.

What percentage of minimum wage earners live alone? There are hundreds of thousands of rooms available for rent on Craigslist for under $1000

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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This piece describes issues I experienced in my younger years. I started working when I was 14 years old learning to build custom cars. By the time I was 18 I was good at it because I paid close attention to the old timers I was learning from. From the very beginning I was paid a flat rate, and because I was good, and fast, I made a good wage, but the work was not full time.

When there was no work I'd take an hourly wage job. If the job was doing custom car or body work, because I was young I was told I had to prove I could do the work, and promised that if I did prove that I'd get a raise, but the raises never came, I got excuses instead.

In all of those cases the person I was working for made a lot of money off of my work, but just couldn't bring themselves to keep their promise of paying me what I was worth after I'd proved I could do the work.

Everyone of those cheapskates despised me for demanding they keep their word and pay me a journeyman's wage, and despised me for quitting.

I got real good at quitting. I'd wait until they bid a job to do custom metal work and took a down payment and then I'd demand they keep their word. But their greed was far more powerful than their sense of their situation. In two of those cases I later found out they were spending the money I was making them on cocaine. Looking back, I think there were probably others that did the same. I called those "the blizzard years" In most of them they went out of business because they took on a job they didn't have the skills to complete and/or snorted all the money.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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This is the best post in this thread. This is all very much true. One more thing that most Americans don't admit is that people mostly work jobs they have started out in. When I was in shitty jobs, people started out and stayed there. As I move up, I notice that people also started out and stayed there. Anecdotally, the US has much less mobility than what is commonly believed. Anyway, I went off topic - don't want to…

The solution here is to open up the free markets again. This means: -Right to repair -Abolish the patent system and non competes -Drop the IRS and let the government simply print money it needs... This eliminates all tax loopholes and special treatment. Perfectly fair wealth tax.

I think the patent system could use MAJOR reform, but to abolish it completely would simply allow a larger corporation to bring any novel idea to market cheaper and more widely, crushing any smaller original idea creator in the process.

Patent trolls, on the other hand, who simply patent ideas with no viable or initial product, or even schematic are another thing.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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I love the nuance and "see both sides of the story" tone of the article. We need more of that. The first half of my career was in a 8 times the median US salary, and still feel underpaid. What I try to convey to people is that I can be grateful and privileged, and feel fairly unpaid at the same time. For the one side, you need to recognize your privilege. People who say they can't live on incomes >200k should know li…

> Bottom line great read for all of those tech worker making 6 figures and complaining about how crappy their life is.

Complaining is free for everyone - it’s when you shut up and take action that you can change

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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> Pediatric oncology. That job must be nightmarish for anyone who isn’t a full-blown sociopath. I’m not a particularly empathetic person and I couldn’t start that job let alone stay in it for years. Edit: > One of the attractions of pediatrics is, surprisingly enough… This is the opposite of surprising. I imagine one of the appeals of pediatrics is significantly fewer of your patients die. That’s why pediatric oncolo…

Interestingly, 70% of veterans who experience traumatic combat experiences will not have PTSD. 30% of veterans who experience the most severe traumatic combat experiences will not have PTSD. Human beings are very resilient. Or at the least, there is a sub-population of us who are that way. I like to think of myself as being in that sub-population because I have few triggers despite experiences that others might call…

I remember reading that PTSD rates are influenced a lot by perceived levels of control over the situation. It is not just how violent it was, but also whether you felt helpless.

PTSD is complicated.

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post #102

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Cynically untrue. Amazon is not even close to bottom of the barrel. And it's clear you haven't paid market rent in a major city since you bought that starter home back in the 90s - 42k is a joke when your rent is close to $2500 and you get no benefits.

What percentage of minimum wage earners live alone? There are hundreds of thousands of rooms available for rent on Craigslist for under $1000

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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>how modern work for a lot of jobs has become de facto indentured servitude...The average worker can't afford anything without taking on debt. For people from other countries wondering about the veracity of these claims, let's take an example: The typical shitty job everyone on here complains about is working at an amazon warehouse. This is a job people with no skills take on. They pay 15 USD an hour. In other curren…

US and more socialist EU countries may have similar CPIs, but when we get to talking about education, rent, healthcare, transportation, etc the differences can be stark. Yes, people in US earn more and get taxed less. But they also spend a lot, lot more on necessities via shadowy cost structures like student loans and insurance and >$1,000 ambulance rides.

The 42k AUD a year is equivalent to many professional jobs in the EU
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