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The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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post #74

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Can’t you just tap the post (not the picture , but the post).

What do you mean by the “post”? The picture is the post..

The post is a rectangle that spans the width of the column, which contains the picture, and any text commenting on the picture, and the author's name/avatar, etc. It's got a divider above and below to indicate the boundary, and it (at least used to) lights up when you hover the cursor over it.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#112
I like to call it user hostility.

You would not believe the amount of disdain Twitter, Inc, has for its users.

What's cute is that Twitter has always been a walled-garden, since its founding. We have better alternatives now. Don't matter though, because there's a centralization/decentralization pendulum in big picture computing trends. If you skate to where the puck is going to be (not where it's been), we're in the middle of a swing to the decentralization side.

Look at W3C recommendation ActivityPub (a specification for the federated social web with a vibrant and fun ecosystem of communities). You may know of Mastodon, its biggest implementation.

Or, for the free speech* types out there, just host a WordPress site where you agree with the terms of the AUP.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#113
post #70

I was excommunicated from Twitter on fairly laughable grounds (like all social networks these days, they elude exposure by being as oblique/obtuse in moderation as possible), and then allowed endless nonsense because it was 'engaging' which is basically why we have the goat rodeo of today. I went to Mastodon a while ago, and while I miss some of the pocket communities of Twitter (mostly academic/political science and…

Mastodon is really my favorite thing out there.

quick disclaimer I am a mod of the /r/Mastodon subreddit so there may be a bit of a bias there (not really though, I just like the software).

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#114

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

Wow, I thought it was just me. I've tried to "get into" twitter for the past decade, but I could never figure out how to read threads. I just gave up after a while because I was too proud to hunt for an explainer article somewhere. And I have too much noise in my life anyway...

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#116
post #95

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The fact that it's lasted this long is evidence that it doesn't matter enough to the end user to be worth changing. If it were Hacker News people would be saying "if it isn't broken, don't fix it." And people using Twitter despite its user interface - even putting in the effort to work around it, implies that it isn't really broken.

I think it's evidence that network effect are powerful, more than anything. I'm on twitter because that's where everybody else is.

People also just suffer silently. Buggy, confusing, incorrect, whatever it may be, in my experience a lot of people just put up with all of it and never think to complain or look for alternatives. I find this especially true of less technical people who often think bugs are due to something they did wrong.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#117
post #107
post #69

Best thing I ever did was install Nitter redirect. Even though Nitter breaks every once in a while, it makes Twitter usable (assuming you don't mind read-only interaction). https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nitter-redirect/mo... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nitter-redire...

For what is worth, I'd much rather just create an account than install an extension (especially since sometimes one of my many extensions ends up slowing the whole browser and I have to hunt which one is it). It's not like I don't have thousands of accounts to random sites anyway and it typically takes less time than confirming if an extension is good.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly." -MLK

Overall, I'd like to see something other than pure convenience factor in. I think there's a moral (ethos) & logical (logos) cause here, working against the single garment of identity being turned into a corporate run straight-jacket of dominion, and accepting some responsibility, some charge for helping push us towards better, to positively affecting each other, is to me what life is about.

Personally, on extensions versus logins, this doesn't seem like a big ask. Getting a private, non-aggressive, non dark-pattern website is a huge upgrade, for very little cost. Having links I can share easily is a huge upgrade versus linking people to partial fragments & concealed login-walls.

The description for this extension says it only affects Twitter. This is fairly easy to validate in devtools, or if you trust it you can go read the open source, which also proves this claim to be true. This extension will not slow down any other site. This would be great information for the extension stores to make known! Oh, the Firefox site tells you this! Personally I hadn't heard the complaint about extensions slowing things down before. That's a shame. It'd be great for the browser to make more information visible to end-users about the performance impact of extensions. Anyhow, I was able to find this core evidence in less time than it takes a gmail tab to open: https://github.com/SimonBrazell/nitter-redirect/blob/5b997ea...

Extension reviews are also great. Looking for some low reviews, & finding if anyone has anything particularly technical & noticeable is a great easy filter to put extensions through, to keep your experience quality high. Trying to socialize both the utility & hazards of extensions is a huge challenge for the web, and something I'd love to see us get better at, so we can more effectively be augmenting our user agency.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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It is a plainly idiotic user interface and threading model and the fact that it's lasted so long looks to me like evidence of extreme dysfunction within the company. Consider also their privacy model. Twitter is the only website I have ever been a user of that lets me see more information if I log out than I can see when I'm logged in (i.e. the tweets of anybody who has blocked me). Deep confusion is on display at ev…

> (i.e. the tweets of anybody who has blocked me) Would you rather have them invade every bit of privacy you have to track you when you are signed out?

I think he's saying he would rather the "block" function not block the ability to read the tweets, just the ability to reply to them.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#120
post #41

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

There are so many things that make it an unpleasant ordeal. Having to hit 'see more replies' over and over. Having to click on individual tweets to see their replies. Pressing back and having your window reset to the top of the replies page, and now you have to click 'see more replies' all over again. Having your history completely broken somehow so pressing back doesn't even take you to the right place. etc etc

> Having to click on individual tweets to see their replies

I'm not sure that even works -- when I go to a tweet in a "thread" I see there are replies but I can't figure out how to view them. All I see are the rest of the tweets in the "thread".

I've completely given up on seeing replies to tweets mid-thread. I'm too dumb to grok Twitter's UI.

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