iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by jodrellblank » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:23 PM UTC

rkudeshi wrote: post #91

nirvana wrote: post #79

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You're right about the Tick-Tock, but since Apple hasn't announced it as a policy, people expect every release to be a Tick. I think you're wrong about Apple being greedy. Didn't they double the RAM? 16/32/64 for the price of 8/16/32 in the past? Also, the camera, processor and radio chips are all new from the original iPhone 4. The form factor is the same, but the antenna are a new design. And I think they are still…

They haven't doubled the storage (at the same price) for 2 years now. iPhone 3GS: 16GB for $199, 32GB for $299. iPhone 4: 16GB for $199, 32GB for $299. iPhone 4S: 16GB for $199, 32GB for $299, 64GB for $399.

Indeed not - with the 4S they added unlimited storage at the same price, and retrospectively added it to any device running iOS 5, with 5GB for some uses.

It may not be flash memory, but it has to count - it is what Apple intend to be used for bulk music storage with iOS 5.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by jarek » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:27 PM UTC

quellhorst wrote: post #13

smackfu wrote: post #11

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Well, now you have 3 distinct models out there, with significantly different hardware, so it's not really one phone.

Sure it is, its the same phone, but different model years.

That must be why they all have different names. But hey, at least that is better than "Macbook Pro (early 2009)".

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by jarek » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:30 PM UTC

protomyth wrote: post #40

The iPhone 4S will probably be my mom's first cell phone. She doesn't like tech and likes her big button home phone (as in 3/4" button big button). My father and her just moved and my Dad doesn't really want a home phone anymore. He has been looking at getting her a JitterBug. She uses and Apple TV fine (netflix, mlb, and iTunes), so it isn't like she cannot use technology. She just has a phobia of current cellphones…

Serious request: please report back on the experience after about three months.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by smackfu » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:31 PM UTC

Cushman wrote: post #20

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

There was a time, not too long ago, when Apple stuff was legitimately a worse deal than the equivalent brown-box product. It got ingrained into our cultural consciousness: Macs are overpriced, they underperform. They claim to put design first, but they still break. Not worth it unless you really like the OS. That hasn't been true for a while, of course; Apple has made all the deals they needed to be competitive or un…

Apple also does not bother to compete in the discount PC area. They just don't make a $250 desktop, or a $500 laptop, and Compaq and Dell do. So if that's what you are interested in, Apple definitely feels too expensive.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by andrewljohnson » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:34 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #108

andrewljohnson wrote: post #95

Me and the rest of the developer community laugh at the contrary blog posts, all the way to the bank. This weekend, there will be hundreds of thousands more iPhone owners, and the developer community will make a fortune. I applaud Apple for focusing on what's important - speed and sex, not features and fapping. Because when they do, all my apps get faster and all my customers get happier, and I don't have to do much…

OTOH, if Apple had killed the 3GS this time around, rather than keeping it around for another year, that probably would have been better for devs since they wouldn't have needed to support that old slow platform.

I wouldn't call the 3GS slow. The 3G was slow, and represented a development pain in which we would do optimizations to suit the device. 3GS is plenty fast, and the iPhone4 and iPad2 are smoking hot rods.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by andrewljohnson » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:35 PM UTC

jarek wrote: post #105

andrewljohnson wrote: post #95

Me and the rest of the developer community laugh at the contrary blog posts, all the way to the bank. This weekend, there will be hundreds of thousands more iPhone owners, and the developer community will make a fortune. I applaud Apple for focusing on what's important - speed and sex, not features and fapping. Because when they do, all my apps get faster and all my customers get happier, and I don't have to do much…

The contrarian community wonders where your data regarding the percentage of iPhone 4S orders that represent new customers comes from. Is this based on past launches? What were the percentages then?

I don't know the percentages, but when iPad2 and iPhone4 hit, we made a lot of money. Those days were like Christmas spikes.

Industry wonks will probably estimate the % who are new customers this week though.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by mistermann » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:49 PM UTC

nirvana wrote: post #80

smackfu wrote: post #72

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The Galaxy S2 sold 10 million phones worldwide even before it went on sale in the US. It's pretty much the bestselling Android phone. So this is a pretty silly comment, although fairly typical for iPhone users who aren't up to date on Android phones.

I found one article about the sales of the S2 from an "android news" site, that indicated it was selling 2-3 million a month. I'm sure it is the best selling android phone, and I say anything that sells more than a million units in a year is a "hit", but that's not a lot of sales compared to the iPhone. It certainly hasn't broken out into the mainstream like the iPhone has.

If there were essentially no alternatives, as with apple, sales would undoubtedly be much higher, wouldn't you agree?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by lukifer » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:58 PM UTC

nirvana wrote: post #71

xlevus wrote: post #27

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I might agree, it looks like a nice phone. Possibly better than the Android competition. But the underlying issue I have with the iPhone, is the lack of freedom I get with it. I don't want to (and more or less can't) be restricted to iTunes, and feel I shouldn't have to void my warranty to use the device how I see fit.

I don't understand this "lack of freedom" (or the "androids more open" mantra). I rarely use iTunes myself, and don't feel "restricted" to it. (unless you feel that using iTunes to sync is "restrictive"... and even if that's the case, syncing is now doable via iCloud.) I guess if you want to do hardware hacking, you'll always be voiding your warranty. I don't see how you'd have to void it to use an iPhone how you see…

> I run whatever software I want on mine, open source stuff, stuff that's never seen the appstore... and that's without jailbreaking it.

I'm guessing this is due to a developer certificate? I don't think it's reasonable to expect even power users to jump through all the Xcode hoops (and pay a $99 freedom tax) in order to run unapproved software.

> Its not like Apple only allows software Apple thinks is good on the store.

Curiously enough, if Apple were to allow sideloading, they could get far pickier about what goes in the App Store, which would be a better experience for 99% of customers, and potentially result in more total sales by creating an expectation of quality. There is much less shoddy junk in the Mac App Store for this very reason.

All that said, I've never run into anything I wish I could do that I can't, and so even though I've jailbroken my iDevices 5+ times, I always end up undoing it with the next upgrade.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by cooldeal » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 7:59 PM UTC

danssig wrote: post #25

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

>Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. Because, just as people complain about irrational "fanboys", there are also irrational "haters". If Android was a huge, old-style brick phone with a pull-out antenna windows CE style interface Apple haters would be talking about how great it is and how much better it is than the 4S.

Similarly, there are a number of people who would love a "a huge, old-style brick phone with a pull-out antenna windows CE style interface" and how it was better than the Galaxy S II or Prime just because it was made by Apple.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by mistermann » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 8:03 PM UTC

nirvana wrote: post #71

xlevus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might agree, it looks like a nice phone. Possibly better than the Android competition. But the underlying issue I have with the iPhone, is the lack of freedom I get with it. I don't want to (and more or less can't) be restricted to iTunes, and feel I shouldn't have to void my warranty to use the device how I see fit.

I don't understand this "lack of freedom" (or the "androids more open" mantra). I rarely use iTunes myself, and don't feel "restricted" to it. (unless you feel that using iTunes to sync is "restrictive"... and even if that's the case, syncing is now doable via iCloud.) I guess if you want to do hardware hacking, you'll always be voiding your warranty. I don't see how you'd have to void it to use an iPhone how you see…

One example I can think of is apps like Torrent-Fu, where I can scan a movie barcode with my android and it will download on my home uTorrent. Obvious piracy, which is why it would never make it the app store, but this is just one example of the superior freedom one can enjoy on android.