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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by wokwokwok »

educaysean wrote: post #69
duxup wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this limited to what their service directly hosts / generates for them? It's their service, their call. I have some hobby projects, almost nobody uses them, but you bet I'll shut stuff down if I felt something bad was happening, being used to harass someone, etc. NOT "because bad PR" but because I genuinely don't want to be a part of that. If you want some images / art made for you don't expect someone will make t…

This feels unnecessarily hostile. I've felt a similar tinge of disappointment upon reading that paragraph, despite the fact that I somehow knew it was "their service, their call" without you being there to spell it out for me. It's also incredibly shortsighted of you to assume that people are interested in exploring this tool only as a means of generating art that they cannot themselves do. Eg. I myself am a software…

This is kind of like complaining about having too many meetings at work.

Yup, everyone feels it. …but, does complaining help? Nope. All it does is make you feel a bit better with out really putting in effort in.

We can’t have nice things because people abuse them. Not everyone. …but enough people that it’s both a PR and legal problem. specifcally a legal problem in this case.

To have adults treated like adults online, you have to figure out how to stop all adults from being dicks online.

…no one has figured that out yet.

So, complain away if you like, but it will do exactly nothing. No one, at all, is going to just “have a serious discussion” about this; the solution you propose is flat out untenable, and will probably remain so indefinitely.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by aChrisSmith »

I can see how this has the potential to disrupt the games industry. If you work on a AAA title, there is a small army of artists making 19 different types of leather armor. Or 87 images of car hubcaps.

Using something like this could really help automate or at least kickstart the more mundane parts of content creation. (At least when you are using high resolution, true color imagery.)

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by planetsprite »

andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

Don't worry, in a few years someone will have reverse engineered a dall-e porn engine so you can see whatever two celebrities you want boning on Venus in the style of Manet

Re: Dall-E 2

#114

Post by duxup »

educaysean wrote: post #105
duxup wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I get the points you're raising and I agree with the premise. My comment is not a critique on the one choice made by Open AI specifically, but more of a vague lamentation in regards to the internet culture that we've somehow ended up in 2022. I don't want us to go back to 1999 where snuff videos and spam mails reigned supreme, but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time. It feels l…

>but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time

The folks hosting the content get to decide for now.

IMO best bet is for some folks to take their own shot at hosting / generating content better. Granted I get that is NOT a small venture / small ask.

It's possible there's not a great solution. I don't necessarily like that either, but I don't want to ignore the dynamic of whose rights are whose.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by adolph »

oldstrangers wrote: post #94
fbanon wrote: post #10

A friend of mine was studying graphic design, but became disillusioned and decided to switch to frontend programming after he graduated. His thesis advisor said he should be cautious, because automation/AI will soon take the jobs of programmers, implying that graphic design is a safer bet in this regard. Looks like his advisor is a few years from being proven horribly wrong.

I think designers are becoming more valuable than ever. Designers can better help train the AI on what actually looks good, designers will (probably) always have a more intuitive understanding of UI/UX, designers can better implement the work the AI actually produces, and designers can coordinate designs across multiple different mediums and platforms. Additionally, the rise of no-code development is just extending t…

> I think designers are becoming more valuable than ever.

Are all designers becoming more valuable or is a subset of really good ones going to reap the value increase and capture more of the previously available value?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by Imnimo »

duxup wrote: post #109
Imnimo wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say Dall-E 2 is a little more unified - they do have multiple networks, but they're trained to work together. The previous approaches I was talking about are a lot more like the microservices analogy. Someone published a model (called CLIP) that can say "how much does this image look like a sunset". Someone else published a totally different model (e.g. VQGAN) that can generate images (but with no way to provide…

Got it, thanks. Makes sense to me as far as avoiding a sort of maximized sunset that is always there and is SUNSET rather than a nice sunset... but also avoiding watering it down and getting a way too subtle sunset. It's not AI but I've been watching some folks solving / trying to solve some routing (vehicles) problems and you get the "this looks like it was maximized for X" kind of solution but that's maybe not what…

Yeah, I think the trick is that when you ask for "a picture of a sunset", you're really asking for "a picture of a sunset that looks like a realistic natural image and obeys the laws of reality and is consistent with all of the other tacit expectations a human has for an image". And so if you just go all in on "a picture of a sunset", you often end up with what a human would describe as "a picture of what an AI thinks a sunset is".

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by duxup »

adolph wrote: post #106
duxup wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this limited to what their service directly hosts / generates for them? It's their service, their call. I have some hobby projects, almost nobody uses them, but you bet I'll shut stuff down if I felt something bad was happening, being used to harass someone, etc. NOT "because bad PR" but because I genuinely don't want to be a part of that. If you want some images / art made for you don't expect someone will make t…

> I have some hobby projects, almost nobody uses them, but you bet I'll shut stuff down if I felt something bad was happening Hecklers get a veto?

I'm describing my own veto there.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by duxup »

JimDabell wrote: post #104
duxup wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have responded differently had that been the statement. But many of the responses were more than that.

That is a literal copy and paste from the comment you replied to.

That's not all there was. I copied and pasted other things from that comment in my other posts.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by campground »

andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

This AI is still a minor. It can start looking at R rated images when it turns 17.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by nradov »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #63
binarymax wrote: post #44

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You missed half of my note. An artist can say "no". A machine cannot. If you lower the barrier and allow anything, then you are responsible for the outcome. OpenAI rightfully took a responsible angle.

Yes, but who cares whose responsible? Are you telling me you're going to find the guy who photoshopped the picture and jail him? Legally that's possible, realistically it's a fiction. They did this to stop bad PR, because some people are convinced that an AI making pictures is in some way dangerous to society. It is not. We have deepfakes already. We've had photoshop for so long. There is no danger. Even if there was…

In general under US law it wouldn't be legally possible to jail a guy for Photoshopping a fake picture of President Biden killing a priest. Unless the picture also included some kind of obscenity (in the Miller test sense) or direct threat of violence, it would be classified as protected speech.
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