FWIW, as a lifetime Windows users, Windows 11 has finally made me switch to using Linux (Zorin OS) as my main system. I retain Windows 10 on a dual boot hard drive for some games but otherwise the switch has been much easier than I expected. Despite being a .Net developer, Microsoft has lost me as a customer for good.
Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
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Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#112I mean, it's literally what Windows 10 would be if they continued iterating on it, as they initially said they would. And to be honest, I see no compelling reasons to upgrade, especially with how badly they try to push Microsoft Edge and intentionally make the experience of switching the web browser a chore.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows defender is better than almost evrything out there. Edge is as annoying as chrome or safari is on their respective os’s and no basic ui stuff has really been removed that tons of freeware and addons didn’t allow one to customize and they’re releasing a new update to continue to refine the UX/UI
Defender may be better but I still don't like that you can't completely disabled it without breaking other parts of the system, like Windows Store. Edge itself, as a browser, might only be equally annoying as Chrome, but my point is about Microsoft forcing you to use it. Using third-party applications to restore functionality is not something we should consider acceptable. I am using Windows 11 on a Microsoft Surface…
using 3rd party applications to customize windows is the beauty of windows.
i run it on a ryzen5 and surface pro 8 and it’s been great
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#114Well, there are many issues with Windows 11. Aside from large stuff already discussed over and over again, it's the little things. Alt+Tab current selection is really hard to see. Action center is weird - sometimes it even won't open after clicking, but will pop up at a later time. Clock does not have the seconds counter anymore. Bluetooth devices cannot bee connected via Win+K anymore - it now takes four clicks to reconnect them. Resizing windows to snapping areas (a new feature) is not available on all app windows. Teams app which comes bundled with Windows 11 is only for personal accounts. Video rendering is slow - on
my i7/16GB youtube, for example, almost always lowers resolution automatically, thinking that computer cannot render video even in 720p.
Some design decisions are making me roll my eyes.
System altogether seems more prone to become slow over time and requiring reboot.
And don't get me started on enterprise stuff. We're amidst an open support ticket to investigate 2fa and azure interop issues, which are not moving along swiftly enough.
PS This is a report from a single person (n=1), so take it with a grain of salt. But Windows 11 just seems to be following tradition of one good Windows generation, and then one really bad (like win95 ok, win98 not, win2k ok, winme not, winxp ok, vista not, win7 ok, win8 not, win10 ok, win11 not).
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#115I know people who still use Windows 7 and hate 10. It gets the job done, and modern browsers still run on it because there were no serious API changes between 7 and 10.
Keeping a windows 7 system connected to the internet is a bad idea in 2022.
You can get extended security updates. They cost money, but there's ways around that, and Microsoft probably won't audit your 3 PCs. For a business though, yes you'd better pay or upgrade.
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#116I'm waiting for them to fix all the broken crap in an sp1 release before I upgrade. I'm talking the basic stuff, like switching windows. It's beyond me that they broke this somehow. Or character map. What the hell.
How is character map broken?
On Win10, if I hold alt and on the number pad type 0153, the character ™ is input. This has worked on every version of windows since 3.1. It does not work on Win11.
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#117Sorry, what did they think was going to happen when people saw just how blatantly Microsoft said, "You know, the problem with Windows 10 is that we just haven't expressed enough disdain for our eyeballs? The ones we can't really sell to our real customers yet because we wrote Windows 10 as an OS..." I will not run Windows 11 on any personal computer. I will discourage anyone else from doing so. Reasons, in no particu…
I'm confused by stories like this. I've installed both Windows 10 and 11 recently, and never had to create a Microsoft account for either one. It felt a bit like going to the old toilet with "beware of the leopard" on the door, but the option was there. Never had to forcibly disconnect the network, just repeatedly confirm that I really wanted the "limited experience". (Better yet, create an online account!) Is there…
Setup a new laptop for someone (early this year I think?) with the semi-preinstalled Win10 and I absolutely had to disconnect from wifi before I could use a local account. Maybe a secret key combo exists but I don't know it).
Been about two years since I installed it clean from an USB stick, so I don't remember if it was the same there.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keeping a windows 7 system connected to the internet is a bad idea in 2022.
You can get extended security updates. They cost money, but there's ways around that, and Microsoft probably won't audit your 3 PCs. For a business though, yes you'd better pay or upgrade.
> They cost money, but there's ways around that
I checked out what one well-known torrent tracker has to say about these extended updates, and sure enough, I found a torrent called "Windows 7 Ult + KB3125574 by killer110289 (х64) (Ru) [10/04/2020] + авторский загрузчик + Office 2019 (2020.03) RePack by KpoJIuK + ESU Update март 2022" and several others which apparently have those updates applied.
I also wonder what would happen if you build a windows image out of 7's shell/explorer but 10's everything else.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
macos also dropped support for 2015 hardware in Big Sur..
Eh? No it didn't. Compatibility list: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833 It works on anything with a Haswell or later and Intel or AMD graphics, essentially. (Note that the MacBook is 2015 because there was no product called that between about 2009 and 2015; the iMac Pro is 2017 because that's when it was introduced).
Yeah, Apple obsoletes a product 7 years from when they last offered it. The 2014 models of Macbook Air/Pro go obsolete this year and won't get the next macOS. The 2015 models will go obsolete next year, 2023. Windows 10 will still be supported on the grandparent's skylake vintage 2015 PC until 2025 when Apple will be obsoleting the 2018 Mac hardware.
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#120Well, there are many issues with Windows 11. Aside from large stuff already discussed over and over again, it's the little things. Alt+Tab current selection is really hard to see. Action center is weird - sometimes it even won't open after clicking, but will pop up at a later time. Clock does not have the seconds counter anymore. Bluetooth devices cannot bee connected via Win+K anymore - it now takes four clicks to r…
Windows 95 was a complete turd. Windows 98 was pretty good.