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Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by northerdome »

luhn wrote: post #97
toomuchtodo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t get flak because most folks are in AWS or Azure. You notice when AWS or Azure hiccups because of this. GCP, not so much (besides Spotify and Snap, although I believe Snap’s 5yr $2B GCP commit deal recently ended). https://info.flexera.com/CM-REPORT-State-of-the-Cloud https://thenewstack.io/long-running-study-finds-uptake-of-pr...

Worth noting that Snap also has a commitment with AWS, they are not exclusively running on GCP.

Also worth noting that AWS is not exactly the most stable either.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by axg11 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #101
tjpnz wrote: post #100

Has anyone else noticed that the quality of the Android app has really gone downhill lately? There's often a lag of a few seconds now when switching between tracks and I've noticed an issue recently where the song title/cover art doesn't always update to reflect the currently playing track. Sometimes the play/pause/skip buttons become completely unresponsive. This doesn't appear to be an issue on my end, I haven't ha…

It's bad. Unfortunately last time I tried the main competitors, TIDAL and Deezer, their app was somehow worse.

Try Amazon music :)

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

pmmr9 wrote: post #89
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't say for them, but for me I have a single playlist 6,994 songs on shuffle. I try to add songs every week, haven't recently as I also should be moving off of Spotify.

To what alternative are you moving into?

I guess I will just move to Apple, because the moving should be relatively easy.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by toastal »

hk__2 wrote: post #43
toastal wrote: post #29

Just a reminder that downloaded audio files work offline, can have very high or lossless quality not restricted by bandwidth, have a concept of ‘ownership’ with no DRM, don’t have ads or tries to sell your data (though voluntarily contributing to ListenBrainz is admirable), don’t require a monthly fee, and if bought legally gives a bigger slice of the money pie to artists. Also podcasts are just RSS audio.

According to Last.fm I’ve listened to 156k songs from 16k artists (35k albums) over a little less than 10 years. Last time I bought music it was on iTunes and the lowest price was €0.79 per song. That would be a total of €123k. Over the same period, I gave exactly €1200.93 to Spotify [1]. [1] note: it’s a pure coincidence that this is ~ €10 * 12 months * 10 years; the price has not always been the same.

You sound like a 'radio' person and I'm a 'record' person.

I don't want to have thousands of different songs floating through my ears. If I'm in the mood for something new, I'll get a recommendation from a friend or an online service, listen to a couple tracks then decide if I should invest more time in the band or just forget about them. Interestingly after a few streams of albums it on Bandcamp, they nag you to buy and it's usually about the time where "yeah, you know, I probably should add this to the collection". Unless finding new music, I always listen by whole albums as the bands decided was best to listen to the tracks, not individual songs--so the numbers you bring up just aren't something I care about. Whole albums are cheaper and if only one track is good on an album, that band not really something I'm interested in.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by toastal »

smoe wrote: post #63
toastal wrote: post #29

Just a reminder that downloaded audio files work offline, can have very high or lossless quality not restricted by bandwidth, have a concept of ‘ownership’ with no DRM, don’t have ads or tries to sell your data (though voluntarily contributing to ListenBrainz is admirable), don’t require a monthly fee, and if bought legally gives a bigger slice of the money pie to artists. Also podcasts are just RSS audio.

Depends on your listening habits. If you listen to a few albums a lot, buying the albums absolutely makes sense to make sure you'll always have them. But for example me, I grew up listing to mixtapes and as a child/teenager spent many weekends in front of my sisters programmable 5 disc CD player to record songs from CDs borrowed from friends to cassette tapes. I never got out of this habit. While some albums I prefer…

Pretty much on the money. I'm not a 'playlist' kind of person so this doesn't interest me. I've been able to send a full OGG file to a friend as a recommendation though, which didn't involve sending someone to service.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by toastal »

politelemon wrote: post #54
toastal wrote: post #29

Just a reminder that downloaded audio files work offline, can have very high or lossless quality not restricted by bandwidth, have a concept of ‘ownership’ with no DRM, don’t have ads or tries to sell your data (though voluntarily contributing to ListenBrainz is admirable), don’t require a monthly fee, and if bought legally gives a bigger slice of the money pie to artists. Also podcasts are just RSS audio.

Is listenbrainz related to "Musicbrains Picard"?

Yes. MusicBrainz is the umbrella project. ListenBrainz is for "scrobbles" (is the name trademarked?) similar to Last.fm and Libre.fm. Because it's an open source and open data project, the broader community can build tools with the data rather than having it hoarded by a corporation to try to sell the data back to users.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by jhgg »

dastbe wrote: post #35

Does anyone have more context on why “unable to retrieve their xDS configurations.” led to ” Traffic Director-managed clients deprogrammed as the configuration was removed” ? For example, Envoy will keep its configuration forever unless 1) the configuration has a ttl or 2) the server itself sent back empty results. Was it the case that TD config uses ttls, the server was actually sending back empty results (frighteni…

We suffered from similar issue to Spotify. Traffic Director pushed a mostly empty configuration to envoy. Very frightening indeed. It continued to push that invalid configuration over the course of the outage.

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by yunohn »

wwweston wrote: post #91
nemothekid wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one has done more than they have to create the price point expectations for products like theirs. I think Napster/Limewire/Kazaa were far greater influences on price point expectations for Music. This reads like complete erasure of music distribution from 1999-2011. Not to mention you already have companies like Rdio and Grooveshark that were pretty much squeezed to death by the labels. Yes, Advertising is a poo…

> I think Napster/Limewire/Kazaa were far greater influences on price point expectations for Music. Unauthorized copies have been a fact of life not only through the dawn of the P2P era but back through the cassette era. And you don't even have to get into the ethics of that in order to understand that none of them ever set price point expectations. Everyone involved in that activity ultimately understood that they w…

> Spotify adopted an economic model marginally different from piracy but with the veneer of a legitimate economic transaction, the pretense of some kind of proper accounting.

How does your critique of Spotify not apply to Apple? They lack a free/ads tier, and claim to pay a bit more to artists. Does this fundamentally change the fact that they’re still /streaming/?

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by ge96 »

DougMellon wrote: post #96
ge96 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality General headphone recommendation? Best I have is an MDR-7506 but I don't think it's meant for listening rather producing.

I currently own the Sennheiser hd 650's[1] with a Schiit amp[2] and absolutely love the combo. I also have them on a harman curve. You can get the HD 6xx from Massdrop for cheaper and it's the exact same driver[3]. My partner uses the Sennheiser 58x's[4] as well as she doesn't like to use an amp and they are probably the greatest bang for your buck I've come across. [1] https://en-us.sennheiser.com/high-quality-headp…

Thanks that'll probably be a next model up, it's up there in price for me.

Will keep it in mind I'll compare the 58x to DT 77 although open backs limit usage for me I think (not have other people hear my music).

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Post by lizardactivist »

tjpnz wrote: post #100

Has anyone else noticed that the quality of the Android app has really gone downhill lately? There's often a lag of a few seconds now when switching between tracks and I've noticed an issue recently where the song title/cover art doesn't always update to reflect the currently playing track. Sometimes the play/pause/skip buttons become completely unresponsive. This doesn't appear to be an issue on my end, I haven't ha…

For what it's worth and since you ask, no problems like that here. Spotify is fast and responsive, and I'm on a real cheapo Android phone at around the $100 price mark, and with really poor internet connection.
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