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Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by parkingrift »

itsoktocry wrote: post #87
parkingrift wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie.

> A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. Are you actually claiming that the scale of absurdity between believing election fraud (something members of both parties claim, every losing election, going back decades[1]) and that Ukrainians are killing themselves, en masse, are remotely the same? 1. Here's Hilary Clinton continuing to make claims about 2016 in mainstream m…

Straw man. I said no such thing. Please respond to the text I actually wrote.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by throwaway894345 »

itsoktocry wrote: post #76
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

Propaganda has been similarly effective in North Korea, China, and USSR. Were those places full of low-IQ people? Or is it possible that propaganda affects even average and high-IQ people?

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by lettergram »

parkingrift wrote: post #82
itsoktocry wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie.

> And that’s with free press in America.

Part of the issue is it isn’t free. So many people were banned. News stories banned. Companies banned and dropped.

When you get that level of censorship it creates a massive level of distrust. Further, what’s “truth” when the facts can’t be debated...

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by tragictrash »

lovelyviking wrote: post #106
jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on.

Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

itsoktocry wrote: post #87
parkingrift wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie.

> A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. Are you actually claiming that the scale of absurdity between believing election fraud (something members of both parties claim, every losing election, going back decades[1]) and that Ukrainians are killing themselves, en masse, are remotely the same? 1. Here's Hilary Clinton continuing to make claims about 2016 in mainstream m…

Yes, they can be pretty much the same. There have been suicidal warriors in the past, it's not really that absurd. Propaganda could say they are killing themselves to make Russia look bad.

I remember a very suspicious suicide in Argentina, and how some media were theorizing that he killed himself to make the government look bad.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #74
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think dropping nukes on Ukraine is something Russia would even consider. It makes absolutely no sense from their perspective. What I fear is a Cuba crisis style standoff where Russia sets an ultimatum demanding the West stop all arms deliveries to Ukrainian forces, threatening any transit countries (such as Poland) with nukes.

>threatening any transit countries (such as Poland) with nukes They can threat all they want, but Poland is a NATO member. An attack on Poland will trigger a retaliation from NATO. Not sure Russia wishes to go to war with all of NATO.

Exactly. That's why I called it a Cuba crisis style stand-off.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

tragictrash wrote: post #114
lovelyviking wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home.

The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by throwoutway »

ben-gy wrote: post #71
PedroBatista wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit exists when you’re able to pay it.

And when you are not blacklist

The Yandex filing spends a significant amount of text reiterating they’re not on a blacklist though

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by severino »

lovelyviking wrote: post #106
jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

> the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example

Aren't we?

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by lovelyviking »

itsoktocry wrote: post #76
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

> Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion?

This is exactly what they believe. More then that , they are told that some of Ukrainians are “nazis” who kill ‘normal’ Ukrainians. They’ve been told that all horrible bombing scenes the world is witnessing are done not by rus. invader but by by those “nazis” Ukrainians. They are truly believe that and they are happy that rus. army is saving “normal” Ukrainians.

Talk to me about their IQ but it is impossible to convince them otherwise, and trust me I’ve tried and others tried they are complete zombies and would not trust even relatives. They would say that you are brain washed by western propaganda and only them are proud russians who know the truth. No logic can convince them because the source of their believes is not logically based but emotionally based.

Yes it’s that bad! And people in the west who do not understand that are too naive and have no idea with what they are dealing and how enormously dangerous it is. For many people this war came as big surprise. They still think that if russians only knew they would stop. Only force cam stop them now. Sanctions are too little too late and too slow and people in Ukraine are dying also due to the stupidity and naivety of those who can stop it.

If you think I am exaggerating, try to convince at least one russian, and share your experience here !!!

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