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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dogline »

xiphias2 wrote: post #37
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

Meming about and being afraid of WW3 is critical in containing/deescalating it. WW1 happened partly because nobody was afraid of it happenning.

> WW1 happened partly because nobody was afraid of it happenning.

That is an interesting take on it. It may not be wrong, but I hadn't heard that before.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ushakov »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #21

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i got this recommended too, watched the video and the only piece i was suspicious about is where he's suggesting to turn Ukraine into a buffer state, basically ignoring/denying their right to self-determination and rejecting them as independent state

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by _yoqn »

TameAntelope wrote: post #26
cm2187 wrote: post #8

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Curious about where you see an institutionalized support on the left for election tampering claims, if you have any sources.

“Racially motivated patterns of voter suppression are responsible for Stacey Abrams not being governor of Georgia right now.”

— South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D), in remarks in Bow, N.H., Oct. 25, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/30/did-racia...

Also don't forget about Bush v. Gore. It's apparently a "historic" moment when Gore finally conceded the election to Bush.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/al-gore-concedes...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by krapp »

nostromo wrote: post #69
cm2187 wrote: post #8

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

Hillary Clinton wasn't making those claims via deranged tweets and speeches from the Oval Office in her position as President of the United States. A private citizen on one hand versus the leader of a country with the power of the press and an angry, violent mob on the other. One person's complaints versus a firehose of misinformation, lies and possibly Russian-backed agitprop being spread by the leader of the country, his party and millions of his followers over four years, culminating in a violent, seditious riot against the very apparatus of democracy and the peaceful transition of power itself. These are not even remotely equivalent in terms of their damage to democracy.

Also, Hillary Clinton wasn't entirely wrong. That there was Russian interference in both the 2016 and 2020 elections on behalf of Trump's campaign is a fact - only the effect of that interference in the first case and the degree of Trump's foreknowledge are in dispute. Meanwhile, there was no actual conspiracy to steal the election from Trump... that was entirely bullshit. Like Hillary Clinton's weird brain disease. And Hillary Clinton's kill count. And Hillary Clinton's pedophile sex slave ring. And all of the Benghazi hearings. And whatever "treason" was supposed to be in the DNC email leaks. And Joe Biden being a pedophile. And Joe Biden having crippling dementia. And whatever Hunter Biden's briefcase was supposed to be about. And whatever the bullshit sandwich du jour for 2024 turns out to be.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by csee »

andy_ppp wrote: post #79
Applejinx wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Literal verbatim Kremlin narrative and framing. Not sure what's LOL about that. Have you never seen this before?

His thesis is an explanation not an endorsement. He basically says Russia will not let Ukraine join NATO, for the same reasons that if in 20 years China wants to put a military base in Canada. It’s not right what Putin is doing but it makes sense…

There's a lot more to Putin's motivations than just Ukrain's membership of NATO. Both according to his own words as well as what makes sense given Russia's geostrategic and economic interests.

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Post by lliamander »

oliveroak wrote: post #13
freedomben wrote: post #7

One of the hosts wrote this about it [1]: particularly appropriate quote: > What casual observers might not understand, however, is just how far the policy goes. Not only does YouTube punish channels that spread misinformation, but in many cases, it also punishes channels that report on the spread of misinformation. The platform makes no distinction between the speaker and the content creator. If a channel produces a…

why don't they build their own platform? youtube can do what they want on their website.

Other platforms exist. I'm sure they pop a champagne cork every time youtube ends up in the news for something like this.

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Post by Aerroon »

slg wrote: post #88
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

I always enjoy a well crafted comment like this in which the reader can't tell if the "authoritarianism" you are decrying is the former president trying to circumvent democracy or the censorship of people who are spreading that message. It allows you to collect upvotes from people on both sides thinking you are accusing the other of authoritarianism.

Perhaps he means both? Both of those are examples of behavior that is unusual, particularly because they're done in such a brazen way. That's what makes the world less recognizable.

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Post by contravariant »

Applejinx wrote: post #53
erichocean wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John Mearsheimer is now "Russian propaganda"? LOL

Yup. Literal verbatim Kremlin narrative and framing. Not sure what's LOL about that. Have you never seen this before?

You may have to reconsider this one, the title looks bad, but it's from a few years back and his opinions don't seem to align with Russia's in the slightest (among other things he has stated Ukraine should have kept their nuclear weapons as a deterrent for Russian invasion, in 1993).

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Post by noduerme »

scantis wrote: post #3

Right on. If you are dumb enough to censor, you can only censor content and the frame you are looking through doesn't make any difference. Imagine in a totalitarian regime, you would like to inform people on system critical thoughts others have been executed for, so people can avoid them.

That's the purpose of newspeak and doublethink. To ultimately communicate by their absence from official channels the list of things that cannot be said. Of course, Russia has has more experience with this than anyone. But as a sibling post says, they've reached the point where plenty just enjoy killing, and the west could too, at some point.
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