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Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by charcircuit »

fsflover wrote: post #109
charcircuit wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the Librem 5 is practically a scam. There are still people who ordered in 2017 who have not received their phone. Requesting a refund takes hundreds of days to be issued.

It's not a scam. Did you hear about supply chain problems in CPUs? See here about delivery progress: https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/112... . Every time Purism can get the CPUs, they deliver another bunch of the phones.

>See here about delivery progress

That thread is backing up what I said. 4 days ago someone from the original crowdfunding campaign in 2017 is being shipped his Librem 5. If someone were to order a Librem 5 today (for $1200, double what people in 2017 paid) they too may have to wait years to get it.

>Did you hear about supply chain problems in CPUs?

Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed.

>Every time Purism can get the CPUs, they deliver another bunch of the phones.

Sure, but the amount they are able to make is not enough. Purism's timeline constantly slips. Your money is stuck in an interest free loan to Purism that they won't let you get out of. It is not hard to find people complaining about not getting refunds or refunds taking hundreds of days to go through. It seems like they want to get as much money as possible while delivering as few phones as possible. This may not be their intention, but this is what it feels like to a lot of people.

Re: No user accounts, by design

#112

Post by krageon »

bduerst wrote: post #33
tedunangst wrote: post #31

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You send the url to your friends however you like. Email, chat, QR code. You don't send it to people who aren't your friends.

> How do you prevent others from sharing URLs with bad actors? Sure, but then the student who shares their interactive class URL (w/ or w/o password) on 4chan still isn't accounted for.

Your argument boils down to "I came up with one scenario where this is bad, so it can't work at all" and I find this dissatisfying. If this hypothetical student "shared" their user account and then disavowed giving it out, you would have the same issues.

Re: No user accounts, by design

#113

Post by danShumway »

wpietri wrote: post #74
danShumway wrote: post #47

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GP's "directly" is a pretty large overstatement, but at the same time I've noticed something of an uptick over the past couple of years of people saying that IP addresses aren't PII or that people shouldn't be concerned with them getting leaked, and I just don't think that stands up to much scrutiny. If IP addresses didn't matter for privacy, Tor routing wouldn't exist. If IP addresses weren't useful for blocking spe…

I agree IPs are PII, and that they can lead to unmasking. I also agree the person I replied to was wildly overstating things. But for the current context, where we are talking about whether or not user account registration is helpful in preventing abuse, I think the kinds of low-probability, long-timeline consequences you describe are not really going to deter most would-be vandals. Especially since Wikipedia is goin…

That's totally fair. In the context of preventing abuse, having an IP address on Wikipedia is definitely less useful to them than having an IP address + an email + whatever other verification methods services are throwing in front of accounts.

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by f1refly »

bduerst wrote: post #33
tedunangst wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You send the url to your friends however you like. Email, chat, QR code. You don't send it to people who aren't your friends.

> How do you prevent others from sharing URLs with bad actors? Sure, but then the student who shares their interactive class URL (w/ or w/o password) on 4chan still isn't accounted for.

You can easily generate individual share links for every pupil and sanction the one whose link was used by a hundred random people from all over the world to join the conference. Jitsi and Big Blue Button are both able to handle this special use case where users aren't trusted to act in good faith I believe.

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by fsflover »

charcircuit wrote: post #111
fsflover wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a scam. Did you hear about supply chain problems in CPUs? See here about delivery progress: https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-shipping/112... . Every time Purism can get the CPUs, they deliver another bunch of the phones.

>See here about delivery progress That thread is backing up what I said. 4 days ago someone from the original crowdfunding campaign in 2017 is being shipped his Librem 5. If someone were to order a Librem 5 today (for $1200, double what people in 2017 paid) they too may have to wait years to get it. >Did you hear about supply chain problems in CPUs? Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed. >Every time Purism…

> Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed.

Yes, Purism had their own delays. In my opinion, they had good reasons for those [0]. But today delays are due to the supply chain, not Purism.

[0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by tentacleuno »

freedomben wrote: post #86
staindk wrote: post #39

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Not really a counter point because you mention a lot of other issues with f-droid that sound valid (I haven't used it myself) - but as a tangent regarding auto updates, I disable them basically everywhere because I seem to have buggy experiences too often if I allow stuff to update all the time. I then go through the list of updates in the Play Store once a week or so and install those that I think might improve app…

Yep, me too. I used to evangelize frequent updates because of the security aspect. However over time I kept getting burned by disruptive or buggy updates that broke things that I depend on. The last straw for me was a few years ago when my podcast suddenly stopped playing. When I unlocked the phone to investigate why the episode had stopped the UI had completely changed, in a way that I was completely lossed and had…

F-Droid lets you downgrade apps. The only problem is that due to Android's security protections, you have to uninstall the app to install an older version (downgrade protection).

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by charcircuit »

fsflover wrote: post #115
charcircuit wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>See here about delivery progress That thread is backing up what I said. 4 days ago someone from the original crowdfunding campaign in 2017 is being shipped his Librem 5. If someone were to order a Librem 5 today (for $1200, double what people in 2017 paid) they too may have to wait years to get it. >Did you hear about supply chain problems in CPUs? Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed. >Every time Purism…

> Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed. Yes, Purism had their own delays. In my opinion, they had good reasons for those [0]. But today delays are due to the supply chain, not Purism. [0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

>[0]

They say the delays stem from their choice of SoC. They decided to use i.MX 8M in 2018. They had time to order the CPUs.

>there were only two SoC's that Purism could use (i.MX 6 or i.MX 8M) that could run on 100% free software and fit within the power limitations of a phone

This isn't true as it requires proprietary software for things such as doing memory training on boot.

>But today delays are due to the supply chain, not Purism.

Despite the uncertainty in the supply chain Purism continues to take orders even if it may not be possible to fulfill these orders.

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by mro_name »

in meatspace a lot of things work without logging in – use cash, buy a hammer, make phonecalls from public booths, take a train etc.

Actually showing your id was once rare and still is. In the 80s in UK a lot of people did well completely without one.

Re: No user accounts, by design

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Post by hansel_der »

infinityio wrote: post #59
thaumasiotes wrote: post #55

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> In the last handful of years there have been 2 or 3 Windows updates that either permanently erased data or caused some other insane issues. I'm still mad about the Windows update that permanently stopped Windows from working with my Bose headphones. The headphones continued to work perfectly with anything that wasn't running Windows.

Out of interest, have you tested them on win11? One of the later win10 updates broke my Bluetooth headphones (actually, Bluetooth in general became pretty buggy), but they 'magically' unbroke after the upgrade

ime bluetooth has been buggy ever since. not always, but it failed me countless times in the worst situations. one reason why a phone has to have a 3,5mm jack.

Re: No user accounts, by design

#120

Post by hansel_der »

charcircuit wrote: post #117
fsflover wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purism had years to procure the CPUs they needed. Yes, Purism had their own delays. In my opinion, they had good reasons for those [0]. But today delays are due to the supply chain, not Purism. [0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

>[0] They say the delays stem from their choice of SoC. They decided to use i.MX 8M in 2018. They had time to order the CPUs. >there were only two SoC's that Purism could use (i.MX 6 or i.MX 8M) that could run on 100% free software and fit within the power limitations of a phone This isn't true as it requires proprietary software for things such as doing memory training on boot. >But today delays are due to the suppl…

> Despite the uncertainty in the supply chain Purism continues to take orders even if it may not be possible to fulfill these orders.

not taking new orders (and money) would be a very bad sign for investors, no?

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