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Interesting documentary, can you help explain the use of the term `neo liberal` here? I thought liberal meant progressive. Progressive as in more government safety nets

In Latin America, "neoliberal" often means right-wing, Firedmanesque ideologies

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There are many millions of people in the US who still have not seen rational expplainations as to the cause of the towers falling. The misinformation, confusion, and subsequent distrust of the government resulting from that and other factors has led to these people still holding onto the false flag narrative. It didn't help that they new who was responsible so soon after the attack (which I found very maddening and s…

You're definitely repeating some of the misinformation in the form of reductionism. The situation with WMDs in Iraq was definitely wrong , but doesn't rise to lies . Two different countries were saying that they suspected these weapons were in Iraq, where Al Qaeda was heavily present, and often protected. The cherry on top was that in the 1980s Saddam had not only manufactured chemical weapons but he used them as wel…

> but doesn't rise to lies

Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't.

> I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents

These two statements would seem to contradict each other.

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Something that this angle shows (and that other footage I've seen hints at) is that the second plane would have missed the tower without a pretty serious turn in the last few seconds. That plane is screaming (we're used to a jet that size flying with it's flaps and landing gear down if (roughly) level at that altitude. This turn would have been higher than normal G forces!

I noticed that too. The second plane almost missed!

I was in high school, we tuned in and caught the second plane hitting the tower live. From the view that we saw and the turn it made I thought it was a smaller private plane at first.

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Interesting documentary, can you help explain the use of the term `neo liberal` here? I thought liberal meant progressive. Progressive as in more government safety nets

Neoliberalism is a spinoff ideology of liberalism, and to be fair your definition of "liberalism" is a warped version of what liberalism originally referred to. In short;

Liberalism was an ideology centered on liberty and consent of the governed, generally used as the rallying cry in 19th century revolutions replacing the monarchys.

Modern US liberalism is a form of social liberalism that is generally in favor of what you mentioned.

Neoliberalism is generally an ideology promoting free market capitalism. Reagan is one of the great heroes of Neoliberalism.

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Honest question, what law would enable them to forcibly do that? Or was it a little extralegal?

I have no idea if this actually happened, but just hypothetically... they could just ask people to do it without necessarily compelling them legally.

I think lots of people would just comply with the FBI if asked to do something "for the good of the country". Especially right after 9/11.

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Interesting documentary, can you help explain the use of the term `neo liberal` here? I thought liberal meant progressive. Progressive as in more government safety nets

Neoliberalism is a spinoff ideology of liberalism, and to be fair your definition of "liberalism" is a warped version of what liberalism originally referred to. In short; Liberalism was an ideology centered on liberty and consent of the governed, generally used as the rallying cry in 19th century revolutions replacing the monarchys. Modern US liberalism is a form of social liberalism that is generally in favor of wha…

I appreciate the explanation, at the same time I can't help but feel that many people on the right refer to democrats as neoliberals as a pejorative. Is that just a misuse of the term, or is there more to it

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The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.

Hey I’m really sorry my previous comment offended it was a poorly judged and poorly written expression of my feelings. Just that feeling of lost innocence and lost security at the point everyone realised it was on purpose must have been incredibly jarring. Pretty terrible to go from carefree to the idea that this could happen at any moment. The British have done enough meddling around the world that half the world be…

> Whereas you all got yanked into this different awful reality that happens out of nowhere watching this extreme insane next level thing happen on live TV, it’s quite a different thing to growing up with a low level sense that it is normal that someone might want to do something bad to you purely because you live in a particular place in a particular country.

Terrorism wasn't a new experience to us New Yorkers - we had experienced the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.[1] That truck bomb under the building didn't succeed in taking down the towers, but it caused major damage and disruption, killed six people and injured over a thousand.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombin...

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The word "terrorism" wasn't yet in the common vernacular. The people in the video were having a hard time articulating what they saw "That was a..dead on kill, he did it on purpose!".

> The word "terrorism" wasn't yet in the common vernacular.

The word "terrorism" has been in constant use in the media since the 1970s.

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Neoliberalism is a spinoff ideology of liberalism, and to be fair your definition of "liberalism" is a warped version of what liberalism originally referred to. In short; Liberalism was an ideology centered on liberty and consent of the governed, generally used as the rallying cry in 19th century revolutions replacing the monarchys. Modern US liberalism is a form of social liberalism that is generally in favor of wha…

I appreciate the explanation, at the same time I can't help but feel that many people on the right refer to democrats as neoliberals as a pejorative. Is that just a misuse of the term, or is there more to it

The neoliberal ideology infects both parties, modern day democrats agree with much of Reaganomics. I'd be surprised if the right used it as a pejorative, though they may be misusing the term to apply to "new" liberalism, the social liberalism mentioned.

A quick search of "neoliberal left" brings up things like the Jacobin and Noam Chomsky criticizing the left, not something like Breirtbart.

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You're definitely repeating some of the misinformation in the form of reductionism. The situation with WMDs in Iraq was definitely wrong , but doesn't rise to lies . Two different countries were saying that they suspected these weapons were in Iraq, where Al Qaeda was heavily present, and often protected. The cherry on top was that in the 1980s Saddam had not only manufactured chemical weapons but he used them as wel…

> but doesn't rise to lies Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't. > I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents These two statements would seem to contradict each other.

Don't get drawn into this garbage. It is an argumentative technique to obscure the facts they refused to acknowledge or refute.
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