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The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Indeed. Why even have voters?

To have some accountability for people who are supposed to make tough decisions and resolve tradeoffs in some responsible way. Notably this isn’t a direct democracy, where direct democrats have an unfortunate tendency to demand freedom from the consequences of the policies they themselves enact, and ask for the irreconcilable.

In order to do that, you have to have an opinion.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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One of the biggest problems with managing bushfire in Australia is having the fire "jump the line". Where embers fly ahead of the main fire, starting spot fires that unless dealt with just extend the reach of the fire. Currently a lot of spot fire management is attempted using helicopters with water buckets, but this is both expensive and bloody dangerous. Being able to use semi disposable drones could assist dramati…

> - The airspace around a bush fire is a particularly hostile environment. This is a good point. Bushfires are also largely caused by high winds that are unpredictable. It makes drones carrying heavy fire retarding payloads a very difficult proposition.

I wonder if a fixed wing drone would be able to carry a heavier payload for a given range. Moreover, these things don’t have to be electric; it’s not like the carbon emissions would be significant.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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One of the biggest problems with managing bushfire in Australia is having the fire "jump the line". Where embers fly ahead of the main fire, starting spot fires that unless dealt with just extend the reach of the fire. Currently a lot of spot fire management is attempted using helicopters with water buckets, but this is both expensive and bloody dangerous. Being able to use semi disposable drones could assist dramati…

The Australian bush needs fire to germinate new plants and trees too.

There are many indigenous plant species that do not germinate by fire (e.g., northofagus) and these populations are under threat as fires encroach on areas that have long been refuge for fire-sensitive plants. If a fire wipes out these populations, gum trees grow in their place and it takes up to half a millennium for these to die off. On the other hand, fire-tolerant plants are plentiful in places like Australia.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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The reason we have such terrible fires now is that we keep putting out fires when they're small. Nature builds up too much burnable matter over time. Small fires would burn it in small, localized areas. But if the small fires don't happen then we get the massive fires that destroy towns, cities, and cost lives. I am not impressed by a new way to put out small fires, because that just ensures bigger fires in the long…

But the answer to this isn't to just let fires start whenever and not put them out. When they start on hot, windy days they can destroy cities. The right answer is some combination of controlled burns (on cool days) and stopping random wildfires as soon as they start.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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I'm very intrigued by the potential for new wildfire tech but as someone who lives in wildfire land in Montana i have my doubts about this video... detecting putting out a campfire is a pretty idealized case. Most fires in our area seem to be started (either by lightning or an improperly extinguished campfire) and then exist as an undetectable underground smolder for quite a while until hot, dry, windy conditions eme…

You have some good points and questions here. I spent 3 summers as a wildland fire fighter and have seen lightening strikes/small fires up to massive 100k acre affairs. I will speak from that experience, but keep in mind it was over a decade ago and it's been a while since I had to think about any of this. As you point out, a tree struck by lightening can smolder for a long time. This can go on for weeks until it exp…

Great points especially about needing to actually cut trees. I've never been on a fire crew though friends and family members have been hot shots and tanker pilots.

I missed the 40 acres part, thats ludicrous. I live about a mile from the 3.6+ million selway bitterroot / frank church wilderness complex ... you would need a lot of drones just to cover the parts near towns.

I do think there would be some merit in a system that could detect a smoke plume quickly and slow them enough to give crews time to safely get there especially on days with multiple starts.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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I wonder what historically unnatural hunting of large predators, to the point of near extinction, causes on ecosystems.

Does it alter the food chain through herbivores and, in turn, alter the vegetation pervasive, such that it's more combustable?

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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post #92

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One of the biggest problems with managing bushfire in Australia is having the fire "jump the line". Where embers fly ahead of the main fire, starting spot fires that unless dealt with just extend the reach of the fire. Currently a lot of spot fire management is attempted using helicopters with water buckets, but this is both expensive and bloody dangerous. Being able to use semi disposable drones could assist dramati…

Wow, that's a really great point. If we have these sorts of drones helping to contain and manage the allowed fires, in an automated fashion, we can reduce the effort needed to do so, or perhaps even control larger fires. Maybe I was too pessimistic.

Meta: this kind of back and forth is what makes HN so awesome. Thank you everyone for keeping open minds. I learn a lot from good-faith back-and-forth like this.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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The reason we have such terrible fires now is that we keep putting out fires when they're small. Nature builds up too much burnable matter over time. Small fires would burn it in small, localized areas. But if the small fires don't happen then we get the massive fires that destroy towns, cities, and cost lives. I am not impressed by a new way to put out small fires, because that just ensures bigger fires in the long…

Use those drones to seed locally appropriate mushroom species with spore sprays. Even better, preemptively identify piles of deadwood and prioritize larger piles. Bonus points if the mushrooms are edible. Double bonus points if they're magic.

More mushrooms means more water retention, less fuel that's less dry overall, and a niche in the ecosystem is filled , expanding activity in the adjacent niches, which in turn speeds the disappearance of biodegradable mass.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Yeah, we should definitely put out small fires in August and let (or force) bigger ones to burn in March. Wild how little critical thinking gets put behind these meme ideas like 'historic forest management is the only problem and we should let everything burn'.

Instead of snark I'd suggest doing some research. The science on this has been solid for about 50 years now. The political will is the problem.

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