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Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Love all his movies. But... This sounds like a project a developer would do, that's just a bit too much. One that has too many features. One that said developer has been thinking of for the past 10 years. The passion project. And passion projects generally fail.

A developer with an incredible track record and decades of experience.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Spielberg has said a few times that it is hard for him to raise money for projects. Other big names have said the same thing. Studios want superhero movies or reboots and nothing else.

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Tell me what you think about what you think Trudeau is doing in Canada next.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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The middle-ground movies like "Good Will Hunting" are, unfortunately, pretty much dead in the water right now, they have been since before the pandemic (I'd say since the early 2010s). Some directors and producers in France (because the same thing has been happening there, at another level) tried to do something about it by staging some protests around 2012-2013 if I'm not mistaken, this interview [1] (in French) fro…

IMDB shows The Irishman budget as a 159 million. I would suspect it did not make that money back. The studios are in the movie business and not the lighting money on fire business. I think we have just seen a fundamental shift in the tastes of the 18-35 demographic and what kind of movies they want to see. Quality fast food type movies as opposed to a full sit down multiple course meal type movie. I love Coppola but…

The consumption model has changed, and the tastes reflect that. If you're going to a movie theater a couple times a month, you always have to pick from what's available and what sounds good. If there always new, high quality stuff available at home, you'll pick what you're already invested in. That could be Marvel movies, or it could be a tv show you already know you like.

Affleck said (in a recent interview with Damon) that he wouldn't be able to make Argo today as a movie. It'd have to be a six hour mini-series.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Spielberg has said a few times that it is hard for him to raise money for projects. Other big names have said the same thing. Studios want superhero movies or reboots and nothing else.

Studios want profit. When only superheroes or reboots are profitable, that's what they'll finance. Not sure if Netflix and the other streamers work differently.

>Not sure if Netflix and the other streamers work differently.

Right now they work differently. They are throwing around big money for the middle tier budget movie--not blockbusters and not small indies.

But all it takes is for the data to suggest that its better to make 5 Red Notices than 10 middle budge adult movies and they'll just stop making them.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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The international market is the main reason. These type of movies play well globally and are easily understood compared to dialogue heavy / complex story / local knowledge required stories.

I'd like to see some statistics for that. IIRC most of the big marvel/dc comic movies did significantly better in the US than outside. It sort of makes sense as well, those comic books were not as big for the generation that is 30+ now in those other countries. The too complex dialogue argument also doesn't really make sense considering that movies get translated in the biggest overseas markets.

Comic books have little to do with it. Guardians of the Galaxy never sold many books, and only to pretty hardcore fans.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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I recently watched The Godfather 1 and 2 for the first time as an adult and was floored by the two movies (really a single movie, broken into two parts). A complete tragedy executed to perfection. The full arc of the tragic downfall of a man, like something out of the Greek tragedies or Shakespeare. I then made the horrible mistake of watching Godfather 3, which basically seemed to have 90s romantic comedy vibe with…

> especially in the current era of horrible movies Isn't this always the case? Have we ever had an era when people thought "glad to be in the current era of great movies"?

Yes, the 1970s. Even the uncompromising Pauline Kael recognized what was essentially the United Artists/auteur era as a sort of magical time. But it was relatively brief.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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The international market is the main reason. These type of movies play well globally and are easily understood compared to dialogue heavy / complex story / local knowledge required stories.

I'd like to see some statistics for that. IIRC most of the big marvel/dc comic movies did significantly better in the US than outside. It sort of makes sense as well, those comic books were not as big for the generation that is 30+ now in those other countries. The too complex dialogue argument also doesn't really make sense considering that movies get translated in the biggest overseas markets.

> The too complex dialogue argument also doesn't really make sense considering that movies get translated in the biggest overseas markets.

The argument is that it's much easier to get plot, jokes, and moderate character development across in translation (and more convincing to dub!) with a base script that uses simpler English.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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I am shocked he has to put his own money into this movie. It must be really off the wall for a studio to not invest in that. Studios are generally willing to raise money for movies by big name directors even if they haven't had a hit recently (see how Terrence Malick keeps getting to make big expensive movies, most with a-list stars despite not having had a commercial or widespread critical hit since the late-90s).

I've noticed that for the past decade or so, Hollywood has really only been interested in doing either sequels or remakes.

Ever since streaming and, more recently, the pandemic, has affected box office numbers, they seem to be playing it very safe in terms of getting a decent ROI.

One of the last few directors that makes original films (Christopher Nolan) has only had success, I believe, because he's made recent hits. Studios are more willing to take a chance on him. Francis, on the other hand, hasn't had a successful hit since the 1970's. While no one doubts his greatness, one could argue he has peaked and his name doesn't carry the cache that directors like Steven Spielberg or Quentin Tarantino have.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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Eventually teenage kids will be making Star Wars at home. Or Star Wars meets Scarface. GPUs will surpass 2010's Pixar. This, coupled with real time motion capture and photogrammetry, will enable more creativity than ever before from more people than have ever been involved. A democratization that even Disney won't be able to counter. But to directly answer your question, the process of writing moves off the text edit…

You keep making this argument and it’s no more realistic than the “anyone can code” if you come up with a low code environment. We saw the results of the low code movement with impossible to maintain Access and FoxPro “applications” and the Excel spreadsheets with VB. I have all of the equipment I need to make a great movie or music video - a 4K camera, a computer, and movie and music editing software. I technical kn…

Isn't TikTok an early indication of the power of creative tooling being put in people's hands? Literally millions of people out there being creative on a daily basis. And we're so early in this game.

Apple is just dumb hardware. It's not helping any more than a pencil. Yes, you can make art with it, but in my mind it's like programming with a hole punch. We can now build tools that translate the thoughts in your head directly into media. And even improve upon them. This wasn't possible just five years ago.

Like I said before, let's come back in ten years and see.

Re: Francis Ford Coppola’s $100M Dollar Bet

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There wasn’t more slack time in the 90s, but there wasn’t time wasted on social media either.

Young people need to work a lot more hours to pay rent now and whether it is because sharing places is less popular or not, there are far less places to rent for groups. There are now far more 1 or 2 bedroom apartments and many larger houses have been divided. Practice spaces and studio spaces are also much, much more difficult to come by. In city after city, what used to be dirt cheap warehouses are now pricey condo…

As creative tools evolve (Instagram -> TikTok, Minecraft -> Roblox / VRChat marketplaces, Kickstarter -> Patreon subscriptions and communities, Twitch ...), there may be a wealth of new opportunities for young people to start making money being creative.

There wasn't an easy way to build content and find an audience. Now there's an ever increasing opportunity.

I think we're early in this game and only getting our first look at what's to come.

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