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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by antsar »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #94
amanzi wrote: post #62

Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

The main problem with a MS account is if you have alot of documents and you log onto a new machine, you better have good internet speed otherwise you will be waiting hours for the documents to come down. Its not so noticeable with windows server (at least since server 2000) and workstations because office network speeds are good but if you also had exchange, then local copies of exchange mailboxes also tied up office…

Logging in with a MS account automatically uploads your documents to their cloud?

Cool…

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by sneak »

imglorp wrote: post #14
jjoergensen wrote: post #7

So how would that work for people who only work in offline networks?

It appears they don't care about those people. Windows is not the product. If you are not consuming their cloud product AND providing a stream of your telemetry data for them to monetize, you are of no value to MS and so invisible.

They care a lot about those people. The USG runs billions of dollars of MS software on classified/offline networks.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by smoldesu »

mdoms wrote: post #57
randomhodler84 wrote: post #2

Literally a trap to hand over your encryption keys. Never sign into an operating system with a cloud identity. You should have stopped using windows years ago. There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work.

Wake me up when I can play my sim racing games with wheel and pedal support in Linux.

Can you not? I play Rockband on Linux with a real-ass guitar, I had no idea that random gaming HID didn't just get passed through like any other controller.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by brimble »

Underphil wrote: post #96
grishka wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop linux is as much of an incoherent, barely working mess as it has always been.

Absolutely false. It may not be for you, but it is not remotely a mess. I do everything from DevOps work, to gaming, to audio production in desktop Linux. It absolutely is a viable alternative for millions of people. But I concede, not for everyone. But your hyperbole is plainly false and likely to deter folks who would otherwise thrive in Linux.

Heavy Linux user since about 2000, was my main desktop (and laptop!) operating system from about 2002-2011. Mainly Mandrake (mostly early on), Ubuntu, Gentoo (on the laptop, and elsewhere—probably my most-used personal distro), and Debian. I most recently gave it a serious go about a year ago (Fedora and Ubuntu, plus some Void [Void was pretty nice!])

Can confirm it's a mess and there was no hyperbole in the original description. The only reason I didn't realize it back in the 00s was because I was only comparing it to Windows and pre-X macOS (well, and BeOS, but I was under no illusions that was a viable alternative). And, spyware and adware aside (not to dismiss those, they're why I still consider it unsuited for serious work) Windows got a lot better over that span.

In hindsight I can tell that I'd become blind to all the time I was losing to it. I'd lose 30 minutes or a whole day fucking with dumb shit that I never should have had to, and a week later I'd have told you "no, Linux isn't that hard to keep up!" I'd trained myself to avoid doing a bunch of stuff with my computers because it would rarely work and often trigger glitches or crashes (like drag-n-drop operations). Now, when I periodically go back to it, that stuff slaps me in the face so hard it's impossible for me to miss, now that I'm not used to being slapped in the face daily. Missing functionality and software doesn't help either.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by [deleted] »

55873445216111 wrote: post #92
amanzi wrote: post #62

Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

I could never get my RDP to work until I switched to using a local account. Now I know why I was pulling my hair out trying to get it working.

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by progman32 »

causi wrote: post #26
larrik wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one: Linux is better. A lot better. If you are worried about gaming or other apps, Win7 won't be much better than Linux (won't have latest DirectX or anything), and may end up far worse by then.

I've dual-booted Linux for many years now but I can never get fully comfortable. I always get the creeping sensation that there's too many layers between what I'm seeing and what the computer is doing, like some button will just stop working and there's no way for me to ever figure out why, or I'll hit some truly baffling design choice and the only way to change it is to throw out my whole configuration and use a dif…

I get that feeling with Windows, especially with the "tweaks" such as this one MS likes to do as of late. Can't say I like computers these days.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by jacquesm »

Ah we never saw that one coming. What really bugs me is why people keep defending these companies: this is straight up abusive, and we - all of us - should not accept these tricks. Getting you an MS account is one small step away from charging you monthly for the privilege of using the computer that you've already paid for.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by [deleted] »

legrande wrote: post #27

Windows 7/8 are the last good versions of Windows IMHO. Yeah they have security issues, but I run them in a virtual machine not connected to the Internet where I need things like iTunes and MS Office. Some games don't run in a VM very well because of the overhead and abstraction (unless they're lightweight or not resource intensive). I have a separate Alienware laptop for gaming on Windows however. My hypervisor OS i…

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

tcfunk wrote: post #61
randomhodler84 wrote: post #2

Literally a trap to hand over your encryption keys. Never sign into an operating system with a cloud identity. You should have stopped using windows years ago. There is no excuse, especially thanks to Valve for their work enhancing wine ecosystem and making your games work.

but the adobes

Photoshop CC 2018 runs great in Wine, with Wacom tablet support as well.

For Illustrator, use CC 2019 to get hi-def display support in the GUI. I don’t use Illustrator much though, so I can’t vouch for how well it works.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by zeusk »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #94
amanzi wrote: post #62

Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for. For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sy…

The main problem with a MS account is if you have alot of documents and you log onto a new machine, you better have good internet speed otherwise you will be waiting hours for the documents to come down. Its not so noticeable with windows server (at least since server 2000) and workstations because office network speeds are good but if you also had exchange, then local copies of exchange mailboxes also tied up office…

You can disable auto sync for onedrive and/or outlook. You can also mark your connection as metered so any background transfer will only be initiated on user approval.
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