Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

init7.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 147 posts

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#111

Post by bullen »

Youden wrote: post #106
bullen wrote: post #30

The problem with >1GB/s is the energy you need to saturate it. 10GB/s needs a 10+W router and you'll need atleast 50W of compute behind that. On lead-acid if you want long battery life and a good uptime you'll need atleast 4x 50Ah batteries. 25GB/s does not scale without waste unless you are ok with having 10x lead-acid batteries in the room where you live/sleep because that energy is heating. Dunno about the hydroge…

Careful with case. 1GB = 1 Gigabyte. 1Gb = 1 Gigabit. Init7, the subject of this thread, supplies 25Gb/s, not 25GB/s. And why are batteries being brought into the discussion? This is a fibre service, it only operates in fixed installations, where grid electricity is available.

Careful with not reading other comments... it's already explained.

I misstype GB and Gb all the time because I talk about disc sizes and network all the time, but you see humans can adapt to my misstake and correct without having to tell me I'm wrong again after the edit timeout has expired... Xo

But to further expand on the battery solution: humanity needs to move away from centralization ASAP, and the most efficient way to do this is to host servers at home. If you only use the fiber you have for consumption you are a slave but if you produce (and potentially sell) something of value from home you are a king.

Unless of course the companies and governements take your external IPv4 away, then you're a slave again, so it's important that EVERYONE that has fiber with an external IP to use it as hosting now, so it's harder for them to undo!

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#112

Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

YaBomm wrote: post #98
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

For the Rpi, the storage device might be your limiting factor... (not the storage device itself, but connection to it from the Pi)

It is, for sure. It's an old external hard drive.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#113

Post by reincarnate0x14 »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

Mikrotik is probably the better general choice for consumer-ish pricing. Personally I would recommend something like a CRS326-24G-2S+RM (which is a switch but running RouterOS) or similar scaled to your needs.

Router has had no problem pushing 1Gb and the switch is rated for something like 44 Gb. Has enough of a firewall and other built in services, plus POE for home devices and SFP+ ports so in the event you need a faster link. Average current draw is Although nearly any modern mini-PC running Opnsense or VyOS or whatever linux/bsd can trivially do gigabit routing as well. 25 Gb would be a bit harder of an ask :)

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#114

Post by kingcharles »

syntaxing wrote: post #42
Enginerrrd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd take YOUR deal in a heartbeat. I pay $110/month for 75Mbps down / 10Mbps up and 300GB data. They also constantly harass me with upsells and raise prices 10% per year.

If you’re in the US, you can try out T-Mobile ISP. I get 300 down/ 20 up pretty consistently and no throttle. Ping sucks but can’t complain at $50 a month.

I second this, it's 5G, just plug in and go. The cheapest wired Internet I could get here in downtown Chicago on my block was $70,000+ installation, then $800 / month. I was spending $400 / month on my cell phone bill just for data before I switched to T-Mobile Home Internet.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#115

Post by kingcharles »

digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

You can download a lot of "Linux ISOs" on 500 TB.

And by Linux ISOs I mean porn.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#116

Post by infogulch »

solatic wrote: post #95
jewel wrote: post #6

What sort of opportunities would open up if this sort of connection were ubiquitous? I could see netbooting your desktop to avoid having to buy a hard drive. Also instead of downloading large game assets they could just stream on demand. (Even though downloads would go really fast anyway.) 4K and 8K video streams are already done reasonably at 100 mbps. Some sort of 3D point cloud streaming?

If you're uploading streaming video directly to consumers, without an intermediary cache (e.g. YouTube), your upload needs can essentially reach infinity. It's just a question of how many people are trying to view the stream, at what level of quality, at the same time. If you need an intermediary cache, you're more likely to be censored by the intermediary or the political jurisdiction in which the intermediary is fo…

Yes, 25Gb/s is just enough to begin hosting your own high quality video content to a small community of people and handle mild spikes in traffic. This is probably the first point that there is enough bandwidth to satisfy that need for the majority of people.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#117

Post by digitallyfree »

uvesten wrote: post #64
digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

It’s just a great internet provider, which very much caters to techies. They supply the plug in the wall, you provide your own router etc. I guess the key is that they _are_ actually more expensive than the competition here, and they provide less ”value”. But less is very much more in this case, since you don’t have to use a locked-down provider-specific router. I guess they save money that way too.

I pay more for my current provider (not Swiss), but they support customer-provided modems and allows hosting within reason. Really depends on the type of user you are and what you value - I run my own servers etc. and prefer this service but someone else may prefer a plug-and-play approach with everything managed by the ISP.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#118

Post by EvanAnderson »

heywire wrote: post #100
EvanAnderson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're in Ohio now in a limited area: https://getmetronetinternet.com/availability/#metronet-ohio They're expanding aggressively in those areas, too.

Yep, we have Metronet here and it has been pretty great (North of Dayton)

I'm also near Dayton. I should just buckle down and get their service. I don't really want to be behind CGNAT and the $10 / mo fee for a static public IP address seems steep. My friends who are using the service like it, though.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#119

Post by ftth_finland »

hocuspocus wrote: post #91
jagrsw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's big competition esp. in the Zurich area. I don't understand all historical peculiarities behind this, but it has something to do with monopolistic position of Swisscom - their old national telecom company. As a part of de-monopolization they made it lease links to any willing ISP (bit-stream access?), so many ISPs arose, and they have relatively "cheap" and advanced offerings: 1Gb/s, 10Gb/s, 25Gb/s, fixed IPs…

Unbundling (the copper lines) and open fiber deployments are different things. Many municipalities still haven't gotten fiber deployments from the local utilities, and in practice you can be stuck on Swisscom's fiber. It's not too bad since several ISPs are also able to use it: for instance Sunrise before (I'm not sure they still allow it), but also Init7 (their Hybrid7 offering). However an ISP like Salt uses only o…

> I understand the decision to enforce P2P deployments and give smaller ISPs a fair chance but it's definitely going to hinder the speed of new deployments.

Why would P2P slow down deployment?

You have the same exact amount of cables in a P2P and a P2MP topology, the only difference is the amount of fiber in the cables. There is a (small) cost savings, but that's about it.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

#120

Post by oakwhiz »

wyager wrote: post #27
sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

If you're wiring things today and you want them to be truly future proof, run some kind of conduit from everywhere to a central location. It makes replacing broken cables easy and you can focus on just installing the relevant types of cable in locations that make sense right now.
Post reply on HN