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The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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Question for the mods: In the old days I don’t remember as much political / world news allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. But I’ve seen more types of TV news s…

I've noticed they (TV news stuff) get upvoted pretty quickly, but also they get eliminated pretty quickly when flagged.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #6

Question for the mods: In the old days I don’t remember as much political / world news allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. But I’ve seen more types of TV news s…

I don't mind the political discussions coming through as long as they don't dominate the front page. However, I am saddened with the diminishing engagement with actual hard tech stories (not tech opinion pieces) that reach the front page. Lately, it seems like links to stories about people doing cool software or hardware things with complete write-ups can barely muster enough upvotes to stay on the front page very lo…

You can use the classic frontpage: https://news.ycombinator.com/classic

It uses the same algorithm, but only counts upvotes from accounts created before 2012 (iirc).

EDIT: I was slightly off, the deadline is 2008: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#hacker...

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #6

Question for the mods: In the old days I don’t remember as much political / world news allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. But I’ve seen more types of TV news s…

Software (some made by HN contributors) ate the world.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be frank, often when I see this glossy pamphlet cover for free speech, you open up the pamphlet and see a bunch of child porn, antisemitism and/or racism. The issue with free speech platforms is they attract a crowd of people whose only narrative is one that can't be said in other places. It isn't a narrative of truth, it is one of hate and bigotry. I've seen few examples where objective truth is banned. I have, h…

That’s just a flaw in your brain’s logical processing. I’ve seen this again and again, people will see an ocean of normal content anywhere free speech is allowed and laser-focus on the single floating turd. They’ll then mischaracterize the entire ocean as the turd, it’s like they have no sense of proportionality.

I think the proportions are more like an olympic swimming pool of "normal" content and a single turd.

And you know what? I don't know many people who want to swim in even a 100m pool with a turd floating in it.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #54
post #6

Question for the mods: In the old days I don’t remember as much political / world news allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. But I’ve seen more types of TV news s…

I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another. Say Joe Rogan's issue may not have been allowed on HN if it wasn't for Spotify. And more broadly speaking, what are the roles of technology in an extremely political sensitive climate. Should Telegram do A or B, and what about Whatsapp, Facebook moderation, Apple App Store disallow certain group, is that a curation problem or a political problem…

> I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another.

Nah. Yesterday's political topic (there's almost always at least one per day) was about the WWII Tokyo firebombing.

I think the real answer is even simpler: I think dang (or whoever is on duty that day) asks themselves "is this topic going to lead to an interesting conversation, or will it devolve into a shitshow?" Shitshows generally get canned, no matter the subject. It's benign dictatorship at work.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another. I feel that, if this is the reasoning it's becoming more prevalent, then it should be reeled in a bit. Politically charged topics seem to rarely bring in good-faith discussion I have come to expect from HN.

They are easy to avoid howerver. Not participating in them and upvoting other contents solve the issue at least for yourself.

Yup. This is the answer. If something political is posted its one of many items on the front page. Ignore it and upvote content you find interesting. Even better browse new posts instead of only the front or first few pages.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

#117
post #9

I appreciate the repost. It's quite timely for me, because I had recently been reading and participating in a post about HN's apparent toxicity. This has helped me to gain some more perspective on the topic. Especially about how moderation is done. I'm really impressed by the moderators, I honestly had no idea how many people were moderating HN or how they did things. I admire the patience and care it sounds like the…

I missed it, thanks for the heads-up.

I love you, Hacker News, but you’re toxic

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30349222 2022-02-15

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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In a remote-first/tech world, our lives are lonely, by design. We no longer have the social touch points we typically had. Water cooler talk, coffee walks, after-work drinks with the team, and work sports are no longer a thing. Vibehut.io is a great solution to get your social fix. Vetted video calls based on your existing social platform and crypto holdings.

> Water cooler talk, coffee walks, after-work drinks with the team, and work sports are no longer a thing.

I would take HN over the water cooler talk, after work drinks and work sports.

Coffee walks ... probably worth keeping. Possibly an occasional workplace lunch too.

But then again, I've worked "alone" at home for more than 20 years, and so the social side of working life has felt fairly foreign to me forever.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

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post #6

Question for the mods: In the old days I don’t remember as much political / world news allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. But I’ve seen more types of TV news s…

Modern information technology provides the enabling basis of the current turnkey infrastructure for a total information awareness-enabled authoritarian regime in the US.

As in, it exists now. All of it. Already in the three letter agencies and social networks, you know or can extrapolate what everyone's opinion and views and compliance and "danger" to the regime.

Right now.

All it takes is a strongman from the D or R side to turn the key. So the political stakes are being reflected in the current capabilities of authoritarian large scale information technology for tracking.

Your web3 crypto blockchain will not help, they will own all the entry/exit points, and use of crypto will mark you as noncompliant and destined for the gulag.

I remember back when Carnivore was dismissed as conspiracy talk and I mostly agreed. And then came Snowden, and I remember the revelation of "wow I wasn't nearly paranoid enough".

Right now I will be gulag'd if the wrong party turns the key. Even if I don't make another political comment anywhere on the internet, I have decades of easily breadcrumbed data hoovered up that will lead straight to labor camps.

The fragile state of our government means that the existing authoritarian abilities of the NSA/CIA/etc are a far bigger existential threat to me than nuclear weapons, COVID, war, and maybe even on par with heart disease, cancer, and car crashes.

Re: The Lonely Work of Moderating Hacker News (2019)

#120
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't say this has been my experience. Many of the places I've found with the best discussions have had little to no moderation. The old IMDB boards, for example, were almost entirely devoid of moderation, but had some of the best and most informative discussions about movies and TV shows. There are a number of niche forums I frequent that are similar. I've even seen a number of subreddits with no moderators/inactive…

> The old IMDB boards Emphasis on "the old". Usenet in the early to mid 90s was pretty great too, but again, emphasis on "the old". Niches that haven't been discovered by many people yet will likely always function well.

Well, they were shut down in 2017. But they seemed to be about the same quality at the end as they were earlier on. The boards I frequent that haven't closed are still going strong with light moderation, however. Actually, I'd argue that the quality might even be better now than a couple decades ago.
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