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Google Search Is Dying
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#112I’ve posited repeatedly that when Reddit IPOs, I’ll be reallocating a significant chunk of my portfolio into their stock. Their management has historically lacked focus, but if Reddit ever builds a half-competent search index, and positions itself as a search-first, discovery-second destination, they will be in the FANG tier of stocks. They have the data. They have the dedicated, active user base. They have free mode…
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#113Just an anecdote but I was shocked when I went home over the holiday and nearly everyone told me they use duckduckgo now. These are not tech people either, I am from a small rural town in upstate NY. I couldn't believe it and although it is a small sample size there must be serious problems with google.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is the most annoying behavior because I really mean what I write. Tons of people don't, though. They type whatever unprocessed half-second thought they have into Google and expect Google to lead them to the water, even if they're tugging and trying to go in the completely wrong direction. Google has optimized for working 'most of the time' for 'the most people', and that means striving for fixing the complete…
Right. Feels like it's optimized for common voice queries, in sentence form. They've sacrificed technical/HN users to focus on this.
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#115It's already dead. Google mined all the links that were curated by the initial internet communities for all it was worth and turned them into profits for Google's earliest employees and shareholders. Now that no one is curating useful links anymore their search quality, unsurprisingly, is deteriorating. Without human curation there is no signal for Google to use anymore and whatever signal is there is just SEO spam t…
Wonder how we could set up an alt-web without the incentives that cause this problem. Delist any for-profit site? How would the sites keep the lights on without ads?
People could certainly run hand-curated indexes and search engines seeded by such. I think marginalia.nu search behaves somewhat like that.
I'm really interested in the idea of decentralized search where everyone has the power to choose for themselves who to trust.
> How would the sites keep the lights on without ads?
Making them turn off the lights is the goal. Good riddance I say, once we get there.
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#117And the reason why these small communities are "more trustworthy" is moderation by actual humans. This is always the secret sauce. Google's biggest problem is that they think they can (and that they must) solve everything with automation, but any automated system can be defeated by a sufficiently motivated human.
This is it. If you let the machines do their thing unsupervised, you're creating an optimisation game someone is going to win.
I honestly believe the only way for a search engine to be as valuable as Google was years ago is to let human knowledge drive more decisions. Maybe closer in spirit to what a web app store would look like, or closer to the categorisation Yahoo did. Not to browse by category (though even that would be refreshing at this point), but to better select the most relevant search sources.
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#118> Reddit is currently the most popular search engine. The only people who don’t know that are the team at Reddit
Hahaha. This has legitimately made me laugh.
The article is sadly quite on point. I'd add that Google is increasingly deteriorating for me during the last several months. It was actually still little better than now, a year ago.
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#119oh man, on point. I literally just did a day of picking a new gas range and finally the best results were Reddit. Trying to search for information on through google and general sites was so infuriating. It sucks now. I would seriously pay $10 a month for a search engine that worked really well and wasn't in the ad game. But I guess that's not a common stance.
Kagi.com which I mentioned upthread is exactly that: paid search engine with no ads. It’s free during beta.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m advertising it but I agree with you and I hope it can garner some interest.
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#120Is Google still a Search Engine? Or is it rather an Answer Engine?
Answers are more-and-more provided on what used to be SERPs, but now is too often dominated by answers on the page, ads, and big marketing budget SEO optimised landing pages.
We still believe in the value and power of discovery; call us old-fashioned but we focus on 10 blue links using an independent index. Your vanity search maydisappoint, and our ranking needs improving, but you will find often hidden gems and information rich sources. Plus we send you to those rather than demanding your eyeballs.
Informational diverity is vital. So we provide one click to get results from Brave, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, Gigablast, Google, Startpage, Yandex too, as explained here: https://blog.mojeek.com/2022/02/search-choices-enable-freedo...