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Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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This is false.

Check the article sent by the guy refuting me, that shows that 39% of donators were Canadian. 61% were foreign.

Check the article in another comment which said 51% came from Canada.

There isn't any remotely reputable data, just assertions. Which was my point with a tongue-in-cheek counter-assertion.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

The majority of the money was foreign. edit: and is not being funneled to the actual protestors. The people recently arrested tried to get some to use for legal fees. No bueno. yeah, yeah, no citation. Pretty hard to cite facebook posts that were removed because of subject matter.

Firstly, there is more money flowing to the peaceful protestors from other sources/channels than either the GoFundMe or GiveSendGo - which this myopic propaganda news piece (to go along with the hack/leak of personal data from GiveSendGo's database) of course that doesn't include critical thinking or discuss the broader context - and then people parrot the shallow narrative because they're not thinking for themselves, but just repeat what they see in mainstream - or upvoted to the top of Reddit, etc.

Likewise, we only have the demographic data for GiveSendGo. I'd bet that if the GoFundMe donations weren't attempted to be stolen that the demographics of the original GoFundMe donors has a high probability of being mostly from Canadians - and that it was the news of those funds being stolen; The funds blocked and attempted to be stolen via collusion with the government; a war crime under the Geneva convention by the way, to prevent resources/support from getting to protestors, which Canada is a signatory to - which the police officers who stole fuel, gas and firewood, from the protestors will be held accountable for this, eventually; the Ottawa police who might I add aren't mandated to be vaccinated or lose their job, the hypocrisy is quite shocking but telling here.

GoFundMe also broke their own standard protocol of not automatically refunding the funds to the donors - but instead saying they'd donate it their "pre-approved charities". This action very well could have outraged the world and many Americans who then may have felt the need to support these more and more clear tyrannical behaviours.

The world is far more complex than most are willing to invest the adequate, necessary time to understand, but then are happy to feel righteous that their arguably shallow view must be right - making it easy to toe the line feeling like you're part of the crowd/mob, and therefore "safe in numbers;" Jordan Peterson would likely classify these people as intelligent ideologues, who he says are the most dangerous because they've really convinced themselves that they're right - just provide them enough of a framework for shallow understanding and it feels plausible enough to be truth, when it's only a half truth; justice dictates we look for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Trudeau is sounding and acting more and more like Hitler as time goes by [no, I am not comparing him to the full atrocities of the Nazis exterminating as many Jews as he could), and I'm not the only seeing the similarities between Trudeau and Hitler: "World-famous liberal commentator Bill Maher calls out Trudeau." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM - posted to Pierre Poilievre's YouTube account, Pierre who is now running for the Conservative party leadership after O'Toole was recently kicked out [he was incompetent the whole pandemic and why Trudeau had basically no opposition] - and he is likely to win. He's been calling out Trudeau's bullshit for years now in very clearly logical and articulate, grounded manner.

For those who aren't aware of the dire situation with how badly our Charter of Rights and Freedoms has been unreasonably infringed upon by our government the last 2 years, including not even doing the due process required if they wanted to reasonably infringe upon it - which there is a method to doing so but which then requires public debate which Trudeau loves avoiding as part of his controlling the narrative, please watch Jordan Peterson and Brian Peckford discussing our constitutional crisis, as well as Peckford's filing a lawsuit against the Federal government a few weeks ago: "Canadian Constitutional Crisis | Brian Peckford | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast S4: E78" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhFuMDLBDM (1+ million views since it was recorded/published Jan. 26th)

Likewise, you can also go to https://FreeNorthDeclaration.ca - where ~600 Canadian lawyers have signed, including law professors from our top universities including Queen's University - in hopes of educating Canadians that laws are being broken and due process not followed. If Canadian, please read it and ideally sign it if you care about the law.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

#113

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Is the money being foreign necessarily an inditement of the crowd funding campaign? The money came from 93,000 donations according to the article. Really that just says that it had global traction.

The foreign money isn't great, but it's not really an inditement. The money coming in from all over, going to unknown persons, not being distributed to protestors who requested funding for gas/food/legal fees associated with the protest, the $1m withdrawal earlier with no (publically, at least) known trail... all that together is kind of a problem for anyone involved.

The funds were frozen in their TD bank account before they could be distributed - that smaller portion of the total that was released. Likewise, the organizers had a lawyer and accountant hired before GoFundMe would release any money.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Not that the trucker protestors are right, but watching the Right and Left do a complete 180 and copy/paste each others' comments from the 2020 BLM protests is either the funniest or the saddest thing I've ever seen. It seems more and more that people only pretend to have principals so long as they can use them to advocate for their own side.

Maybe it's the difference between protesting and rioting? Did the truckers burn stuff down and loot shops?

If we're being honest with ourselves blocking major trade routes has at least as much economic impact, though it's harder to see/measure.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Except it’s really not that anymore. Constant noise disruptions, gridlocking the city…it’s causing harm and the protests have damaged property, businesses and even gone as far to dance on the war memorials. These are not our best people.

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I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…

To further complicate the matter, protests are completely ineffectual if they do not impact others in some way. Its easy to say that protesters should be considerate and not get in the way. But if they do that then their message is easy to ignore. Protest by nature must be civil disobedience to have any real effect. What troubles me in this regard is that the Canadian government in general, and Trudeau in particular,…

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Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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“With no need for court orders, banks can freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.” The politics of this particular situation aside, this feels like a terrifying development for future protests, and public discourse in general.

It’s interesting that the protesters have a very clear goal and want to be heard, but rather than diplomatically solving the situation Trudeau has exercised a new level of force not used on citizens before. It took a couple weeks of protest for some of the harshest punishments to be used on citizens. It’s been misstep after misstep by Trudeau. First name calling, then offering some very threatening tweets, then executing on the threats.. when instead he could have taken a hour of his time to say he will sit down and hear out their point of view in full. It’s actually incredible that he could have misunderstood the people involved and the point of the protest so much and then acted as a military against them as if they are enemies and not citizens. Canada has state run media and I guess this was just the next step in government control.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Except it’s really not that anymore. Constant noise disruptions, gridlocking the city…it’s causing harm and the protests have damaged property, businesses and even gone as far to dance on the war memorials. These are not our best people.

Watch a lot of CBC, do you? I would recommend visiting the protest to see for yourself rather than relying on media narratives to form your opinion. Keep an open mind and judge for yourself. If you're not able to physically visit, there are large numbers of streamers who do nothing but walk around the area. The more neutral ones provide little to no commentary and try not to interact with anyone so you can better form your own opinion (almost sounds like actual journalism). At least give it a try.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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post #53

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Are you using your truck to block the economy of Canada right now? Have you participated in the protests with your actual body in any way? Do you even live in Canada or do you represent the interests of another country entirely?

Does their nationality, or who they represent, have any bearing on the logic of their argument? Don't forget where you are.

He claimed pro vax people like himself are the people protesting. How can he make such a loaded claim if a) he isn't protesting and doesn't know any pro-vaxxed protesters and b)he doesn't even live in Canada and couldn't be in the protest even if he wanted to.
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